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re: Breaking WAPO (fake news): POTUS explores pardon legality
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:13 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:13 pm to buckeye_vol
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I agree, but it is noteworthy that they are taking it that serious.
Meh. OF COURSE the lawyers take it serious.
It would be rank incompetence to not take it serious. They aren't paid to be last to the party. They're paid to be first.
quote:Frankly, if someone is going to try and turn "shite that's happened in every election in our lifetimes" into a criminal act.......they SHOULD be pardoned.
Although, examining pardoning powers for those associates may be why it's being considered anyways.
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:15 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:This has literally ALWAYS been an issue with SPs.
No. But the control/block part of the article is about Trump's attorney's trying to limit the scope of the investigation. Trump's attorney's are on record.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:15 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Well to be fair, this isn't a special prosecutor. The special counsel is a bit more limited in authority, specifically jurisdiction. 28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction
Both sides, at differing times in history, have noted that the SP is an abomination in terms of scope.
quote:
The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General.
quote:So as opposed to previous investigations which had Special Prosecutors, Mueller's jurisdiction is under the authority of the AG, or Deputy AG in this case.
If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.
And the thing is, Mueller and Rosenstein are both considered individuals with high integrity. I know the entire politics around this thing is toxic, but for anybody that one's a fair and honest investigation in search of the truth, regardless of which side he/she is on, then they should be happy that these two individuals are in charge.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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But the control/block part of the article is about Trump's attorney's trying to limit the scope of the investigation. Trump's attorney's are on record.
Again, that title is misleading. They are trying keep the investigation within the scope permissible. What is wrong with that!? That does not equate to controlling the investigation.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:16 pm to Covingtontiger77
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:18 pm to Covingtontiger77
Is acceptance of a pardon legally considered an admission of guilt?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:18 pm to ShortyRob
quote:If it gets to the point where criminal acts are discovered, and Trump is impeached, then I think that goes a little beyond that. It's not going to be a simple "or you met with the Russians to get some dirt." It's going to be way more than that.
Frankly, if someone is going to try and turn " shite that's happened in every election in our lifetimes" into a criminal act.......they SHOULD be pardoned.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:18 pm to Covingtontiger77
(((Sources)))
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:18 pm to RCDfan1950
It's not his job to investigate Hillary
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:19 pm to buckeye_vol
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I know the entire politics around this thing is toxic, but for anybody that one's a fair and honest investigation in search of the truth, regardless of which side he/she is on, then they should be happy that these two individuals are in charge.
I really have no opinions on the folks in charge. Never said a word about them.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:19 pm to Dayman
quote:Yes. They are trying to block and control it. They aren't doing anything illegal or wrong, but they are trying to do what the title is stating.
Again, that title is misleading. They are trying keep the investigation within the scope permissible.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:21 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I didn't mean to imply you in particular. I'm just saying that whether the investigation turns out to be necessary or just a Witch Hunt, at least the people in charge of it are those who are known to actually search for the truth, whatever it lies.
I really have no opinions on the folks in charge. Never said a word about them.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:21 pm to thetigerman
quote:No.
Is acceptance of a pardon legally considered an admission of guilt?
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:22 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Well yeah. If it gets to Trump impeachment.
If it gets to the point where criminal acts are discovered, and Trump is impeached, then I think that goes a little beyond that.
But, for example. The fact Bush let Scooter Libby go to jail while Sandy Berger walks free was an abomination.
What I'm saying is if they basically find them some underline to railroad, he should Pardon them.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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Yes. They are trying to block and control it. They aren't doing anything illegal or wrong, but they are trying to do what the title is stating.
Well, like other examples.
All the story really is is a "water is wet" story.
Or, in this case, it's a "Lawyers are doing what one would assume lawyers are doing" story.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:24 pm to RCDfan1950
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Trump should go 'nuclear' if Meuller/His Hillary Hack Attornerys come back with all manner of supposed 'crimes' on Trump per the 'Martha Stewart/Scooter Libby' version...while totally ignoring (REAL OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE) Hillary, Comey, Lynch et al outright illegality.
Trump should declare that he WILL appoint an SC to investigate Meuller and the whole Dem cartel, if they ignore these crimes. And he should pardon - up front - any bs 'indictments' that Meuller refers.
Call their bluff...and call on Trump Nation to back him up.
Meuller has one shot. The old days of double standard applications of Law are gone. He'd better be TOTALLY HONEST....or hell will break loose.
Sure man. Whatever.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:27 pm to buckeye_vol
I would just like to point out that whatever their reason, it is just sooooooo fricking nice on this board the last 24 hours or so has been largely devoid of the Want brigade of trolls.
Actual conversation takes place!
Actual conversation takes place!
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:27 pm to ShortyRob
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Are you people reading the same article I'm reading?
I am reading an article about a sitting president, desperate to try and make an investigation he doesn't like go away, by pressing his lawyers to come up with ideas to further that goal.
Of which includes pardoning himself, trying to slander one of the most well respected career public servants alive, inferring replacing his Attorney General with one that will keep his hands in the Mueller investigation, attempt to shut down aspects of his investigation, and outright fire him.
I see his cult followers desperately trying to find something to cling to to try and spin behavior that if the shoe were on the other foot, you would be talking about revolution and demanding impeachment.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:27 pm to buckeye_vol
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Yes. They are trying to block and control it. They aren't doing anything illegal or wrong, but they are trying to do what the title is stating.
Block/control gives the impression of impropriety. You know that.
A more appropriate title would be "Trump, team strategize to keep Mueller investigation within permissible bounds."
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:28 pm to ShortyRob
I mean, I wouldn't like it, but I couldn't dispute the legality. What's legal isn't always what's considered "right".
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