- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: BREAKING: President Donald Trump to invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:24 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:24 am to RollTide1987
This so clearly a Congressional law that means it's pretty much untouchable and bullet proof. But we all know ACB and Roberts will strike down the WH interpretation/usage in 2 weeks when it fast Tracked to SCOTUS after a lawsuit.
5-4 decision.
5-4 decision.
0
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:25 am to SirWinston
quote:
Obama / Biden judge to block by tomorrow evening
Judge: You can't deny all of the illegal's right to vote Democrat by deporting them!
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:29 am to Ag Zwin
quote:
Worked out so well for John Adams.
The only part of the Aliens and Sedition acts left is the Alien Enemies Act. Which has been invoked 3 times.
The sedition part(which Trump is not invoking or can because it's been repealed) was what most Americans were upset about which is understandable.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:30 am to Ag Zwin
quote:
quote:
Imminent threat.
Show us where that appears in the act.
Full text
Are you going to cry about this??
That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:34 am to tide06
quote:
Pick one: -Islamic terrorists -Mexican cartels -ANTIFA -child and human trafficking -any other group identified as a terrorist organization or sponsor who have pushed people or materials across the border
Add:Democrats.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:38 am to BCreed1
quote:This is not the end of the sentence in the Act. The full sentence states:
"invasion or predatory incursion"
quote:
That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.
Not sure how this applies to immigration issues with subjects of multiple nations with whom we are not at war and whose governments are not leading nor orchestrating such “invasion”.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:40 am to Ag Zwin
quote:
Show us where that appears in the act.
First line...
quote:
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:46 am to BCreed1
“predatory incursion” =/= “imminent threat”
I would actually argue that predatory incursion has occurred and Trump has said so. Therefore, the justification exists.
My argument, though, is simply that the words “imminent threat” do not appear in the act. I freely admit it’s parsing legalese, but that’s what you do with laws.
I would actually argue that predatory incursion has occurred and Trump has said so. Therefore, the justification exists.
My argument, though, is simply that the words “imminent threat” do not appear in the act. I freely admit it’s parsing legalese, but that’s what you do with laws.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:47 am to MetArl15
quote:
MetArl15
My first suggestion would be for you to learn to comprehend what you read.
Lesson 1:
quote:
That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government,
That sentence left to itself would be what you are suggesting. But you are correct in that it did not end there. It extended it:
-or any invasion
-or predatory incursion
Which we have. Now the next part is really easy to follow. Who released their gang people from prison and sent them here?
It was a what? foreign nation or government.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:49 am to BCreed1
Hard to call it an invasion, legally, when the previous admin processed the vast majority of them before shipping them around the country.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:54 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
at war with. Who are we at war with?
We’re at war with the cartels. The cartels are in Mexico and South American.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:57 am to BuckyCheese
Nah. But, "or predatory incursion"
He will obviously have to give details. So we will see.
He will obviously have to give details. So we will see.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:00 am to ole man
quote:
How long before a judge try’s to put aTRO out
Figured that would be in the tweet.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:02 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
Was my understanding it is used for citizens of countries we are at war with.
Well youre wrong
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:04 am to BCreed1
What does this have to do with Israel?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:04 am to BCreed1
One of the people that works at the Brennan Center, focusing on war powers, had a long X thread attacking this some time ago when it was leaked that Trump would do this. I responded to many of her posts - her position that was the Act did not allow Trump to do this, but the Act does allow him to do this. If there is a hostile encroachment upon the US, not by lone individuals randomly, but in a coordinated fashion, this Act can be invoked. It doesn't require a state of war to be voted on by Congress.
We have a coordinated effort to put violent individuals into the nation. They use violence and coercion to get here, they use violence and coercion once they're here, they cause damage to property, the economy, and harm to Americans. This is an assault, a coordinated assault, on our sovereignty and our most vital national interest: survival on our own terms.
This Act is fully warranted. Trump should empty the buses in motorpools on every military installation, that are commonly used to take troops to training sites etc, and load them up and bus people right on out of here using the military. We need tens of thousands of deportations per day. We need a busload of people arriving at the border for movement back south, about every two minutes, for four years.
Put the military on every inch of the border and begin putting in obstacles on the entire border, then a wall. This is the most important issue we face right now.
We have a coordinated effort to put violent individuals into the nation. They use violence and coercion to get here, they use violence and coercion once they're here, they cause damage to property, the economy, and harm to Americans. This is an assault, a coordinated assault, on our sovereignty and our most vital national interest: survival on our own terms.
This Act is fully warranted. Trump should empty the buses in motorpools on every military installation, that are commonly used to take troops to training sites etc, and load them up and bus people right on out of here using the military. We need tens of thousands of deportations per day. We need a busload of people arriving at the border for movement back south, about every two minutes, for four years.
Put the military on every inch of the border and begin putting in obstacles on the entire border, then a wall. This is the most important issue we face right now.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:06 am to Ag Zwin
quote:
Worked out so well for John Adams.
You're thinking of the Sedition Act.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:07 am to BCreed1
quote:The argument then is that a foreign nation intentionally sent released prisoners to the United States as an invading or predatory force? I disagree that that has been established. If you do establish it, the removal would then need to be focused on only those countries’ citizens who were released from prison with the government’s intent of a predatory incursion. I assume the focus would be on Venezuela under that argument?
Who released their gang people from prison and sent them here? It was a what? foreign nation or government.
I realize we will never agree on this. Just curious the argument under the text.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:11 am to BCreed1
That law was written by old white guys. Best to ignore it...
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:13 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
Hard to call it an invasion, legally, when the previous admin processed the vast majority of them before shipping them around the country.
Excellent point
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News