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re: Border Czar Tom Homan just went off on the cartels and dared them to keep making threats
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The drug war is futile from the prohibitionist perspective.
The problem is that so is the libertarian decriminalization ideal.
Like I posted upthread, it sounds great, just like socialism sounds great.
But I'm not aware of any rousing success stories of any countries that have tried either one.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:46 am to wackatimesthree
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The problem is that so is the libertarian decriminalization ideal.
Not really. People would just have to be willing to accept a lot of deaths at first.
You cant save people from themselves. We're wasting a shite ton of money and still losing.
I dont know how anyone thinks the current situation is workable. We either have to decriminalize or reduce the money supply.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 7:47 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:50 am to wackatimesthree
Those who believe border walls are ineffective , need only google the Berlin wall. The Russians were most effective in enforcing their border. However their wall was to keep people in rather than keep people out. If the immigrant can contribute value to the USA then great. If on the other hand they are nothing but a drain on our resources and contribute nothing good then keep them the hell out. If they can not survive without our assistance we do not need them here. We have enough of our own citizens riding in the wagon and not helping pull it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:53 am to TigerPlate
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Those who believe border walls are ineffective , need only google the Berlin wall.
The issue with that is most illegals dont cross illegally.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
Then you wipe out the next round of suppliers. And the next round and the next.
At some point, these scum bags will realize their lives are more important than making a little money selling drugs.
At some point, these scum bags will realize their lives are more important than making a little money selling drugs.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:09 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Then you wipe out the next round of suppliers. And the next round and the next.
It never ends, and gets really expensive.
And it doesnt work, its still a 150B industry.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not really.
Yes, really.
Again, who are your examples of rousing success stories?
Other countries have tried this. How did it work out for them?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:15 am to wackatimesthree
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Again, who are your examples of rousing success stories?
I can point to the USA as a glaring failed example.
We can start there, prohibition does not work.
You need to let people do what people do. If they die, they die.
It strengthens the gene pool.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:15 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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At some point, these scum bags will realize their lives are more important than making a little money selling drugs.
No.
I don't think they will.
This is a classic case—usually that befalls liberals/leftists—of someone in the middle class assuming that everybody in every situation and class thinks and reasons like they do.
They don't.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The issue with that is most illegals dont cross illegally.
This doesn’t make sense. They are by definition, illegal. It doesn’t matter how they cross.
I don’t understand your obsession with wanting more illegal immigrants in this country while pretending to be a conservative.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can point to the USA as a glaring failed example.
We can start there, prohibition does not work.
You need to let people do what people do. If they die, they die.
It strengthens the gene pool.
That's what I thought.
You continue to not answer the question.
And that is answer enough.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:16 am to SquatchDawg
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but think if I was going balls out against the cartels that I’d keep that on the down low.
100%
Just take care of the night raids and hit squads with a low profile
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:17 am to Paddyshack
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This doesn’t make sense
Sure it does. Most overstay their visa. They enter legally.
The issue now is refugees who have protected status, they entered legally.
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Visa overstays exceed illegal border crossings for the 7th year in a row
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:18 am to wackatimesthree
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That's what I thought.
You continue to not answer the question.
I did. Are we about freedom or Govt authority?
You want the status quo and it is a failure.
Its time to do something else.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:19 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I did.
No, you answered the question YOU wanted answered, not the one I asked.
And the one you want answered is based on a false dilemma. It assumes that there are two choices and one of them has produced less than ideal results, so that means the other choice would have to be better.
But that's not necessarily the case. It could still be worse than the first choice, even though the first choice is not great.
And I am asking you to show me how you know it will be better by asking for examples of other countries who have made that choice and who have experienced better outcomes, and you can't do it, despite us both knowing that other countries have tried.
So you keep reiterating your false dilemma.
It's the same game that communists/socialists play. Ask them where it has ever worked and they refuse to answer that question and just continue to recite the evils of capitalism.
It's a pretty obvious game.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Are we about freedom or Govt authority?
It's pretty obvious that we are about government authority.
Did you mean to ask which one we should be about?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:25 am to wackatimesthree
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No, you answered the question YOU wanted answered, not the one I asked.
We've never tried it.
Your method is a failure. Its time to move on.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:25 am to wackatimesthree
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It's pretty obvious that we are about government authority.
Of course. We just offer lip service to individual freedom.
We really hate it ... (wink)
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We've never tried it.
Thank God.
But other countries have.
How did it work out for them?
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Your method is a failure.
Unless you can give me an example that I don't know about, yours is an even worse failure.
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Its time to move on.
So say all the Comrads.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure it does. Most overstay their visa. They enter legally.
If you overstay your visa then you aren’t here legally.
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The issue now is refugees who have protected status, they entered legally
Semantics. Because the Biden regime legalized illegal crossings. They are still illegal migrants.
Why do you want so many illegals immigrants in our country?
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