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re: Bill Maher pulls the old bait and switch.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:16 pm to AUin02
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:16 pm to AUin02
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Takes a brave conservative to go on that show.
Mahr's people hand select the ones that THEY want to have on. For example, I doubt they'd have someone that can truly debate like Romney.
Sure, they're brave-ish.. but they're also likely to need their own personal careers more highlighted. Probably in general have less to lose.
The show is what it is... it's entertaining utterly slanted agenda. Which is fine. I just don't like the double standard with the dems wanting to make all political talk radio government regulated to be a "fair" 50/50 split when they have this kind of -shite- on tv 24/7.
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Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:18 pm to trackfan
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When Bill Cosby started talking about this kind of stuff a few years ago, two of the first people to heap praise on him were Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
And Bill Cosby's wife blamed the murder of their son on racism. But she didn't have any problems with Bill's having sex with other women. Neither did Jesse's wife. She attacked the other woman instead.
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both Barack and Michelle have been pretty consistent about preaching tough love whenever they have an opportunity to address Black audiences, but their right-wing critics fault them for not doing it on bigger stages such as the State of the Union speech, which makes no sense to me.
Why doesn't it make sense to you? Obama is promoting expansion of welfare. How is that tough love?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:19 pm to trackfan
quote:It may not be rational now, but I think it certainly was rational, say, 5,000 years ago, 10,000 years ago, etc. I can imagine it being the kind of behavior/thinking that saved lives. And when you consider that we (people) by necessity behaved this way for around 100,000 years, the behavior is, as you said, innate. At least for now.
IMO, tribalism is not a rational human trait
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:21 pm to m2pro
Chris Hitchens (RIP) used to raise hell when he appeared on that show, which was awesome.
Adam Carolla would be legit.
Adam Carolla would be legit.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:23 pm to Zach
Come on Zach, you can do better than that.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:26 pm to m2pro
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Mahr's people hand select the ones that THEY want to have on. For example, I doubt they'd have someone that can truly debate like Romney
Not true. He's had many fire-breathing conservatives on his show over the years who gave him hell, including Bill Kristol a few weeks ago. Also, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan both brought the house down when they appeared on his show.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:26 pm to Samso
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Chris Hitchens (RIP) used to raise hell when he appeared on that show, which was awesome.
When he does catch one that will fight hard and good, he always has that smug laugh and smile and just immediately changes topic.
Still though, he's really good at what he does.
And I do think he, like Jon Stuart, very much believes what he says... but there are few that are as "good" seeming as ole Stuart... in spite of his political-opinion handicap. Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:30 pm to notslim99
I loathe that A hole but, he made a great point in that segment.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:41 pm to notslim99
All people are open to constructive criticism and we all reject destructive criticism, but there's fine line between the two, and that line varies from person to person. Within the Black community, it's partly a generational thing, and my parents draw that line at a different place than me and my siblings do. I also think we're also much more likely to characterize a criticism as constructive if it comes from someone in our own tribe and destructive if it comes from an outsider. If Rush Limbaugh uttered the same words that Michelle Obama did, I would classify it as destructive criticism, not constructive criticism.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:48 pm to trackfan
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If Rush Limbaugh uttered the same words that Michelle Obama did, I would classify it as destructive criticism, not constructive criticism.
IE, double standard based on race. Therefore, by definition you are a racist.
Hypo..Let's suppose that Clarence Thomas says that blacks tend toward criminality and dysfunction. Is that worse than if Michelle says it? Hmmm?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:51 pm to trackfan
quote:Which is COMPLETELY irrational and a bit racist. It is highly informative as to why u, as with many blacks, see racism everyfrickingwhere. U completely segment allowable thought by race. We are going to have a Hell of a time in this nation if exactly equal thoughts are constructive if by one color person but bad if be the other. This is a damned perfect example of whites getting accused of racism for articulating truth. U want whites to either lie to black people out completely ignore stuff. How will that lead to anything positive?
If Rush Limbaugh uttered the same words that Michelle Obama did, I would classify it as destructive criticism, not constructive criticism.
It won't
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:55 pm to Zach
quote:We both know the answer you that. It's pathetic abd PROVES that much if the time, the racism cry ifs bull shite false outrage. They aren't pissed at what was said. They are pissed at who says it. Actually, they aren't pissed in either case. They are just good at recognizing a partisan opportunity Tito cry racism
Is that worse than if Michelle says it? Hmmm?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:02 pm to trackfan
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Not true. He's had many fire-breathing conservatives on his show over the years who gave him hell, including Bill Kristol a few weeks ago. Also, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan both brought the house down when they appeared on his show.
Well, I don't watch it every single show. I can definitely say I have seen at least 30-40 shows worth... and they seem to ALWAYS have an idiot that can't either have no debate skills enough defend their own position, OR are utterly socially awkward. That's not just bad luck... that's certainly intentional.
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Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:09 pm to SettleDown
The word racist is the most overused and misunderstood word in an American's vocabulary.
So much more often than not the phrase "prejudice" is what people mean when they say "racist." Such a horrible word to blame someone for!
So much more often than not the phrase "prejudice" is what people mean when they say "racist." Such a horrible word to blame someone for!
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:14 pm to SettleDown
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Which is COMPLETELY irrational and a bit racist. It is highly informative as to why u, as with many blacks, see racism everyfrickingwhere. U completely segment allowable thought by race. We are going to have a Hell of a time in this nation if exactly equal thoughts are constructive if by one color person but bad if be the other. This is a damned perfect example of whites getting accused of racism for articulating truth. U want whites to either lie to black people out completely ignore stuff. How will that lead to anything positive?
This is total bullshite because it presumes that the only difference between Michelle Obama and Limbaugh are their race, when nothing could be further from the truth. If Limbaugh were a White male version of Michelle Obama, you would have a point, but his record speaks for itself, so we know that their differences aren't just skin deep. I've already said that I don't view these things by race or party, and have even given you some examples of Whites engaging constructive criticism that I'm okay with. Did you even bother to read my previous posts? Do you reject the concepts of constructive versus destructive criticism? Make sure you give this question some thought before you answer, if you don't want to be exposed as two-faced, hypocritical bigot.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:19 pm to trackfan
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IMO, tribalism is not a rational human trait, but it is an innate one. It's one of those things within us that enlightened people seek to overcome.
for future reference, this pretty much is a lighter way of me saying certain beliefs/thought processes are irrational/emotional
we're not really saying different things, but i say it much more directly and efficiently.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:20 pm to notslim99
I really don't think that turned out the way Maher thought it would. Sure he probably wanted to show the similarities between Paul Ryan's comment and Michelle's comment but I don't think he anticipated the black guy taking the bait full hook, line and sinker. Once he heard Ryan's comments and given the fact that Ryan is GOP, he went full race industry mode and the white chick just proved what a lemming that she is. Credit to the white dude for a least looking at the comment objectively instead of going all out race industry mode.
Thanks for posting.
Thanks for posting.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:24 pm to notslim99
To be fair, Kamau Bell did the same thing that Bill Maher and most other liberal comedians do when they try to be taken as a serious voice in politics. When they get caught with their pants down, they make some passive, smart arse comment and the issue is quickly segwayed into the next topic.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:24 pm to trackfan
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If Rush Limbaugh uttered the same words that Michelle Obama did, I would classify it as destructive criticism, not constructive criticism.
that is completely irrational
an idea is an idea, regardless of source
just look at all the "conservatives" giving maher props for his point, even though they don't like him or his politics
an idea is an idea. the same words are the same words. 1 + 1 always equals 2, regardless of who is stating it
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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for future reference, this pretty much is a lighter way of me saying certain beliefs/thought processes are irrational/emotional
we're not really saying different things, but i say it much more directly and efficiently.
The difference is that you have a tendency the attribute certain traits to one group of people, as though there is something unique about them, while ignoring the fact that these traits are innate in the entire human race, not just one particular group.
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