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Big Oil Is Not Dancing To Government Tunes. Period.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:20 am
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:20 am
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Several days ago, President Biden made a media splash when he threatened oil companies with windfall taxes and “other restrictions” if they don’t stop returning cash to shareholders and start investing this cash in more oil production.
The industry, via the American Petroleum Institute, responded with yet another reiteration of the fact that the oil market is a global one, and producers don’t have complete control over prices because it is also a free market.
Oil producers, big and small, did not react to the U.S. President’s latest attack on it. The industry simply continued what it has been doing since oil prices rebounded: returning cash to shareholders and planning its spending carefully.
Bloomberg’s Javier Blas summed the situation up in a pithy commentary that basically reminded everyone that this same administration that is now calling for more oil, just two years ago pledged to reduce oil drilling in the U.S. as much as possible.
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None other than the International Energy Agency has just warned that oil demand growth will peak by the mid-2030s, the FT noted, and the U.S. president wants oil companies to spend billions on what will effectively become stranded assets in a few short years.
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The IEA may be wrong, as it often is, but Wall Street is a whole other story. Per the FT, it is banks that want oil companies to keep returning cash to shareholders instead of investing it in new production.
Shareholders themselves would certainly agree: they spent years watching how much cash was poured into relentless production growth and then they saw prices go negative, even though it was only for a little while. The price crash of 2020 was very real and very painful.
Besides, shareholders, especially in Big Oil majors, are applying another sort of pressure on the companies: ESG pressure. It was not a whim that all Big Oil majors had to come up with net-zero plans, targets, and strategies how to get there.
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“I think they have a responsibility to act in the interest of their consumers, their community and their country to invest in America by increasing production and refining capacity,” President Biden said of oil companies in his Monday speech.
In fact, the plain truth is that they do not have any of these responsibilities. Oil companies have responsibilities to their shareholders, creditors, and employees. It’s the government that has a responsibility to act in the interest of consumers, communities, and the country.
The Biden administration has not been doing a very good job of it. And it has been quite slow in realizing its stated plans to decimate the oil industry might backfire before too long. Now, everyone is paying the price for this slow realization. Everyone but oil companies, which are buying back shares, increasing dividends, paying off debt, and going easy on the production growth front.
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And of course, after months of lashing out at industry for not ramping up investment for new drilling and production to “help as the gas pump”, President Biden over the weekend told New Yorkers at a rally that he was still going to end drilling and fracking on Federal Lands.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:22 am to ragincajun03
frick this administration
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:26 am to ragincajun03
A friend of mine who is an engineer in the field put it best when it comes to govt interference in oil and gas industry. If you force these companies to invest in green energy, it takes away from refinery capability and costs everyone more in every aspect of energy consumption. Then when so called renewables don't satisfy the needs we are stuck with lower refinery means because they have moved onto the govt mandates. It is 100% on the progressive agenda that we pay as much as we do and they are perfectly fine with it. They suck.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:26 am to ragincajun03
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For example, ExxonMobil pulled in nearly $20 billion in profit. Chevron took in more than $11 billion, Shell $9.5 billion, BP over eight billion. And, today, the world's largest oil company, Saudi Aramco, reported making $42 billion this quarter.
Not bad for 3 months. No need to “dance” when you’re gouging American motorists.
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This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:33 am to ragincajun03
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President Biden over the weekend told New Yorkers at a rally that he was still going to end drilling and fracking on Federal Lands.
When he blames the industry they should just play this clip.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:35 am to ragincajun03
Logged in to upvote this.
The big question in my mind is, to what extent is Biden so out of it that he actually believes the nonsense he's saying, versus to what extent is he just the liar he's long been shown to be?
The big question in my mind is, to what extent is Biden so out of it that he actually believes the nonsense he's saying, versus to what extent is he just the liar he's long been shown to be?
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“I think they have a responsibility to act in the interest of their consumers, their community and their country to invest in America by increasing production and refining capacity,” President Biden said of oil companies in his Monday speech.
In fact, the plain truth is that they do not have any of these responsibilities. Oil companies have responsibilities to their shareholders, creditors, and employees. It’s the government that has a responsibility to act in the interest of consumers, communities, and the country.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:38 am to DJFord
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Not bad for 3 months. No need to “dance” when you’re gouging American motorists.
0/10
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:39 am to DJFord
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Not bad for 3 months. No need to “dance” when you’re gouging American motorists.
Do you understand how Supply/Demand works and how it drives price?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:39 am to DJFord
Now do Apple and some other tech companies.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:39 am to ragincajun03
What a bunch of bungling idiots. Sorry, you aren’t allowed to make profits when your highly cyclical industry is doing well after a record low point. I felt that hurt first hand and don’t feel bad at all about the current state of the industry.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:40 am to ragincajun03
Wait till the effects of this incompetent administration's smoke and mirrors show with the S.O.R. finally comes to rest.
Get ready for $5-$7/per gal gas after tomorrow's elections. The couples with OPEC cutting production will cripple this country for years to come.
But they'll blame it on the Republicans who win tomorrow. Like always and most of their brain dead voting base will go alone with it whether or not they are intelligent enough to see the truth.
Get ready for $5-$7/per gal gas after tomorrow's elections. The couples with OPEC cutting production will cripple this country for years to come.
But they'll blame it on the Republicans who win tomorrow. Like always and most of their brain dead voting base will go alone with it whether or not they are intelligent enough to see the truth.
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:40 am to DJFord
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Not bad for 3 months. No need to “dance” when you’re gouging American motorists.
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where were you when they were losing money a couple of years ago?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:42 am to DJFord
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Not bad for 3 months. No need to “dance” when you’re gouging American motorists.
Yes because nobody “danced” when oil went negative and gas prices plummeted at the pumps while people in the industry saw their careers evaporate overnight?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:43 am to Snipe
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But they'll blame it on the Republicans who win tomorrow. Like always and most of their brain dead voting base will go alone with it whether or not they are intelligent enough to see the truth.
See Djford above.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:43 am to ragincajun03
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Per the FT, it is banks that want oil companies to keep returning cash to shareholders instead of investing it in new production. Shareholders themselves would certainly agree: they spent years watching how much cash was poured into relentless production growth and then they saw prices go negative, even though it was only for a little while. The price crash of 2020 was very real and very painful.
Some of y’all need to re read this part.
Fact of the matter is they’re going to price themselves out as renewables become more efficient and cheaper….if they know this then why do it?
Because they know it’s inevitable and want to make their money now. Oil is in a strange place: being asked to train the new employee after they’ve been told to clean out their office in 6 months.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:46 am to Highthoughts
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Fact of the matter is they’re going to price themselves out as renewables become more efficient and cheaper
They will then move to that.
It's funny how people think these companies are going to die on the oil hill. When the other option is more profitable, they will transfer their operations there
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:47 am to Highthoughts
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Fact of the matter is they’re going to price themselves out as renewables become more efficient and cheaper
Did some new type of energy just become invented? That ain't any time soon.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:51 am to Jones
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It's funny how people think these companies are going to die on the oil hill. When the other option is more profitable, they will transfer their operations there
Bingo.
However, how in the hell are growing counties that are just starting to try to get their populations and economies into the 21st century going to accomplish that with solely renewables?
Traditional hydrocarbons are still going to be necessary for a LONG time, even if countries in North America and the EU are able to start decreasing their reliance and consumption.
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