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re: Biden to close down keystone pipeline day one
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:32 am to NashvilleTider
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:32 am to NashvilleTider
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Enjoy $4.00 gas
You do realize that gas is artificially high right now due to a complicated set of deals orchestrated under Trump, right?
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:32 am to thejudge
Nope
Saudi backed the large expansion of Motiva in Port Arthur to be completed at the same time as Keystone XL was originally to be completed. The refinery expansion was specifically designed for heavy crude oil
Keystone XL was originally proposed when all the "first Nations" lawsuits blocked other pipelines from being built to the West Coast in Canada.
Saudi backed the large expansion of Motiva in Port Arthur to be completed at the same time as Keystone XL was originally to be completed. The refinery expansion was specifically designed for heavy crude oil
Keystone XL was originally proposed when all the "first Nations" lawsuits blocked other pipelines from being built to the West Coast in Canada.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:32 am to fallguy_1978
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I do think Biden has historically been a moderate Dem but he's being controlled by the far left that run that party now. Any Dem elected to president will try to implement their agenda. That alone is a reason for me to never vote for one.
The definition of "moderate" has changed drastically. Even from as little as 10 years ago. "Moderate" Democrats simply don't exist anymore and anyone who thinks otherwise is hopelessly naïve or simply just a fool. While to some degree all presidents are, Biden was/is a COMPLETE Trojan Horse. "Establishment" enough to give those who didn't like Trump's mean tweets cover to vote for him. But COMPLETELY entrenched in the way DC works and totally devoid of any strong personal principles to give any push back on what he is told to do. Biden thinks stupid shite like "transgender rights" is as ridiculous as me and you. But, he'll toe the party line because that is what he has done for FIFTY YEARS.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:33 am to NashvilleTider
Can he do that is the question?
It's going to directly affect the shipping industry doing shite like this.
These stupid eco-globalist-creeps take the cake.
I drive an F250 6.7 diesel that I have to put extra green peace fuel solvents in outside of using the already low sulfur diesel it takes.
When is it good enough?
It's going to directly affect the shipping industry doing shite like this.
These stupid eco-globalist-creeps take the cake.
I drive an F250 6.7 diesel that I have to put extra green peace fuel solvents in outside of using the already low sulfur diesel it takes.
When is it good enough?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:33 am to mtntiger
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By what authority and for what reason can he shut down something that is working and not causing a catastrophe?
I don't believe they can legally rescind the permit to cross the border. The pipeline border crossing permit is a State Department permit.
FWIW, once you are in the U.S. the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) permits state line pipeline crossings (interstate). Pipeline within state borders are permitted by state agencies (intrastate).
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:34 am to deltaland
Biden to yank Keystone XL permit on first day of presidency
President-elect Joe Biden will rescind the cross-border permit for TC Energy's Keystone XL pipeline on his first day in office, three sources confirm to POLITICO.
he move is billed as one of Biden’s Day One climate change actions, according to a presentation circulating among Washington trade groups and lobbyists, a portion of which was seen by POLITICO. The decision was not included in incoming chief of staff Ron Klain’s Saturday memo outlining Biden’s planned executive actions during the first days of his presidency.
Two lobbyists confirmed that Biden plans to yank the project's permit on Inauguration Day, a development first reported by CBC News. It's the latest development in a decade-long fight over the controversial pipeline and solidifies a campaign promise the Canadian government had hoped was negotiable.
"The only question has always been whether labor can stave off the death sentence," said one oil and gas lobbyist who requested anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to the press. "And they never had a chance."
A Biden transition spokesperson declined to comment.
Canada's ambassador to Washington Kirsten Hillman would not confirm reports. "The Government of Canada continues to support the Keystone XL project," she said in a statement to POLITICO on Sunday evening. "Keystone XL fits within Canada’s climate plan. It will also contribute to U.S. energy security and economic competitiveness."
Rescinding Keystone XL would negate one of President Donald Trump's own first actions in office and kill a project that had become a political totem in the fight between climate activists and the oil industry. Despite many analysts saying the boom in U.S. shale oil made new sources of Canadian crude less important, TC Energy has fought years of legal challenges against it obtaining the needed state permits that would all it to build the pipeline.
looks like he is going to shut down the main line
when you are farther left than Canada's government ... we are so screwed
President-elect Joe Biden will rescind the cross-border permit for TC Energy's Keystone XL pipeline on his first day in office, three sources confirm to POLITICO.
he move is billed as one of Biden’s Day One climate change actions, according to a presentation circulating among Washington trade groups and lobbyists, a portion of which was seen by POLITICO. The decision was not included in incoming chief of staff Ron Klain’s Saturday memo outlining Biden’s planned executive actions during the first days of his presidency.
Two lobbyists confirmed that Biden plans to yank the project's permit on Inauguration Day, a development first reported by CBC News. It's the latest development in a decade-long fight over the controversial pipeline and solidifies a campaign promise the Canadian government had hoped was negotiable.
"The only question has always been whether labor can stave off the death sentence," said one oil and gas lobbyist who requested anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to the press. "And they never had a chance."
A Biden transition spokesperson declined to comment.
Canada's ambassador to Washington Kirsten Hillman would not confirm reports. "The Government of Canada continues to support the Keystone XL project," she said in a statement to POLITICO on Sunday evening. "Keystone XL fits within Canada’s climate plan. It will also contribute to U.S. energy security and economic competitiveness."
Rescinding Keystone XL would negate one of President Donald Trump's own first actions in office and kill a project that had become a political totem in the fight between climate activists and the oil industry. Despite many analysts saying the boom in U.S. shale oil made new sources of Canadian crude less important, TC Energy has fought years of legal challenges against it obtaining the needed state permits that would all it to build the pipeline.
looks like he is going to shut down the main line
when you are farther left than Canada's government ... we are so screwed
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:35 am to NashvilleTider
Cheap crude the CCP will buy
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:36 am to Alt26
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The definition of "moderate" has changed drastically. Even from as little as 10 years ago.
I agree. I don't think Trump was that far from Bill Clinton politically and he was painted as a far right winger
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:37 am to CitizenK
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Saudi backed the large expansion of Motiva in Port Arthur to be completed at the same time as Keystone XL was originally to be completed. The refinery expansion was specifically designed for heavy crude oil
Didn't they sell their share?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:37 am to NashvilleTider
Yep, Biden will pick up where Obama left off regarding energy policies. The Dems will probably eliminate fracking and we will once again be oil dependent.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:40 am to AUstar
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Is the pipeline even operational?
On the map I provided on the first page the solid green line is the operational part of Keystone and the dotted line is their expansion project.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:40 am to mmcgrath
This is bs. Under trump we had the lowest gas prices I can remember - mostly do to the fact we became energy independent under him.
The day after the election has started going up - it’s Biden’s fault now. Thems the rules
The day after the election has started going up - it’s Biden’s fault now. Thems the rules
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:41 am to mmcgrath
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You do realize that gas is artificially high right now due to a complicated set of deals orchestrated under Trump, right?
Gas hasn’t risen above $2 in years boy
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:42 am to idlewatcher
Shell sold its 50% to the Saudis a few years ago. Motiva is 100% Saudi now
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:49 am to AUstar
Built from Cushing to Nederland, TX, not from from Cushing to Canada.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:49 am to NashvilleTider
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looks like he is going to shut down the main line
I just read the permit and stopped here:
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This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President, with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency).
LINK
shite, Keystone is fricked. All that oil is going to be trapped up in Canada. There is no way TC will be able to get all that oil to market via truck and rail as fast as the existing pipeline can.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:50 am to GumboPot
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On the map I provided on the first page the solid green line is the operational part of Keystone and the dotted line is their expansion project.
So basically Biden plans on killing the expansion? If so, I don't see it as that big of a deal relative to where we are now. Trump tried to get it expanded but SCOTUS shut him down saying he needed to go through EPA first. EPA, of course, has kept it tied up refusing to do anything.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:50 am to NashvilleTider
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Biden to close down keystone pipeline day one
Thank #NeverTrump Republicans
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:53 am to LasVegasTiger
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Company I work for, our products were specd in to all heavy machinery that would work on this expansion. Probably $10-$15 million in sales.
it was already destined to not complete once Capline reversal was announced.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:55 am to NashvilleTider
That's because Warren Buffett can ship oil more expensively via Burlington Northern Santa Fe, his personal railroad.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 9:58 am
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