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Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:36 am to
Posted by Peebles
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:36 am to
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Hence the question, does the Cenozoic climate appear compatible with a Milankovitch premise?





...this is the part in the conversation where you explain what you think about the question you just posed...
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:47 am to
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You probably remember "the pause" since your argument probably shifted from "it's not warming" to "the temperature record is not accurate" around about the time "the pause" ended.
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Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:54 am to
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...this is the part in the conversation where you explain what you think about the question you just posed...
I think it's a good question.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:55 am to
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You can't explain how even *one* thing I said was inaccurate though, can you? That's ... interesting.

Yes I can...

You made the statement that 'orbital cycles' are causing climate change.

Even those with knowledge of the Milankovitch cycles say that there has been no effect from the wobbling variations of the earth's spin and the variation in its solar orbit FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 10,000 YEARS... This is what engineering analysts refer to as infinitesimally negligible.

Doesn't meet the needs of your fellow communists or the Bill Nye issue... gotta shut down schidt FAR earlier for your 'reset' totalitarian agenda. [you do know that is why they make people like yourself stupid, no?]

The climate and earths temperature range DOES depend on the amount of solar radiation that reaches earth.

Your orbital suggestion is moot in this event, this process - and even at its extremes remains moot until the orbit goes terminal for the whole planet billions of years from now.

In the meantime, we have to realize that the sun's biggest radiation input, its only considerable input ever until solar doomsday, is the VARIATIONS of SOLAR RADIATION from the star itself.. Sun spots, pockets of nuclear fusion with its variations, flares, solar corona expulsion events, potential events about which we don't currently know about. Not earth orbit.

If you want to go with orbital cycling, you are going to have a few hundred thousand years or so minimum for even a flutter of increase or decrease [of which BOTH you likely already give no chance anyway since your politics only allows one of those choices until Bill Nye says otherwise on his Saturday morning TV show].
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 6:16 pm
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 12:13 pm to
You get confused about what you said about what too easily.

Here, let me remind you. I made this post here

LINK

Which says absolutely zero about orbital cycles. To which you replied:

quote:

you literally know NOTHING about which you are speaking. NOTHING.


So it kinda don't make sense for you to justify that statement by rambling on about orbital cycles when the post your were remarking about had absolutely nothing to do with orbital cycles. But whatever, at least you're trying!
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:10 pm to
and you call others obtuse

I was responding to the entirety of what you had been posting. Your middle school level response in noted.

Again, you know NOTHING about which you post.

Seriously, you are being seen as a charlatan, or developmentally challenged.. You may want to tell whoever is running your alter to back off because it is THEM who is being seen in the same way.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Trevaylin
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:29 pm to
I have known many engineers and they are generally well organized folk that had a true appreciation for understanding how things work.

There are two types of engineers that I hold in disfavor

a. This individual claims powerful economic gain based on theoretical calculations at fractions significantly below scientific notation capability

b. this individual spends to much time trying to cheat on their expense reports
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 8:42 pm to
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I was responding to the entirety of what you had been posting


The "entirety"? Would that mean, like all of it, the whole thing? Because I'm not seeing where you addressed anything I said in the post you were responding to. Maybe we just have different definitions of the word "entirety"?

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Seriously, you are being seen as a charlatan, or developmentally challenged

OK. Were you gonna say anything meaningful?

Posted by Iron Lion
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 8:45 pm to
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Peebles
Alter confirmed
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 8:46 pm to
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Even those with knowledge of the Milankovitch cycles say that there has been no effect from the wobbling variations of the earth's spin and the variation in its solar orbit FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 10,000 YEARS...


10,000 years? The shortest Milankovich cycle is around 20,000 years.


I think you meant to say 100,000 years.


Your welcome.


This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 8:51 pm
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 8:55 pm to
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10,000 years? The shortest Milankovich cycle is around 20,000 years.


I think you meant to say 100,000 years.
like this:
quote:

If you want to go with orbital cycling, you are going to have a few hundred thousand years or so minimum for even a flutter
already said it

This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 8:57 pm
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 9:33 pm to
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already said it



Yeah, I admit you contradicted yourself in your post, I agree.


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you are going to have a few hundred thousand years or so minimum for even a flutter

A few hundred thousand? But the shortest cycle is 20k and the longest 100k. What do you mean by "flutter"?
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 9:52 pm to
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and even at its extremes remains moot until the orbit goes terminal for the whole planet billions of years from now.



I'm sorry, that's just a dumb thing to say


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In the meantime, we have to realize that the sun's biggest radiation input, its only considerable input ever until solar doomsday, is the VARIATIONS of SOLAR RADIATION from the star itself.. Sun spots, pockets of nuclear fusion with its variations, flares, solar corona expulsion events, potential events about which we don't currently know about. Not earth orbit.



Ok. Sunspots cycle every 11 years, so thats out as far as explaining things that happen over 100000 years. The Suns brightness has increased 30% over the Earth's entire 4.5 billion year history, so in other words, not much over the last 100000. There must be some solar process that has a cycle of order of magnitude within 100000 years, if you're right, wouldn't there be? Can you explain the mechanism for that cycle ?
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6153 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:16 pm to
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Ok. Sunspots cycle every 11 years, so thats out as far as explaining things that happen over 100000 years. The Suns brightness has increased 30% over the Earth's entire 4.5 billion year history, so in other words, not much over the last 100000. There must be some solar process that has a cycle of order of magnitude within 100000 years, if you're right, wouldn


Shut up dork
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:19 pm to
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Shut up dork


Drink less.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:44 am to
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There must be some solar process that has a cycle of order of magnitude within 100000 years, if you're right, wouldn't there be?
Right. And if the Neanderthal had telescopes and written language, we might have those observations in hand.

We do know the solar output is not constant. We do know stellar evolution occurs. We do know pre-quaternary terrestrial temperatures were far higher than at present, and do not have an obvious relationship with Milankovitch cycles.
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:47 am to
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Right. And if the Neanderthal had telescopes and written language, we might have those observations in hand.




Ummm, ok. So you admit there is absolutely no theoretical basis to suppose the Sun has 100,000 year cycles, but you're sure Neanderthals would have observed such a thing, because....then you'd be right ?!?


Sounds legit. Hey I got a good name for these cycles. Let's call them "God".


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We do know stellar evolution occurs.

The nuclear timescale is of the Sun 10^10 years, The Kelvin Helmholtz timescale is around 3*10^7 years, the magnetosphere has timescales of 11 years and a few hundred, and the dynamical timescale is around 1600 seconds. ***If there is a 100,000 year cycle, what physics could possibly cause it?***

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We do know pre-quaternary terrestrial temperatures were far higher than at present, and do not have an obvious relationship with Milankovitch cycles.


So you just assume it must be the Sun? What about the gravitational energy converted to heat in the Earth's interior? What about the chemistry of the atmosphere?
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 7:54 am
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:53 am to
When is the last time your man bitch slapped you?
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:54 am to
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When is the last time your man bitch slapped you?




Go back to playing with your crayons and glue the grown ups are talking.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:55 am to
It’s been too long for sure.

You could use it.
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