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re: AZ Senate Passes 'Right to Discriminate' Bill
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:27 am to SoulGlo
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:27 am to SoulGlo
"Discriminate" means doing anything a democrat disagrees with. It's just another word they have bastardized.
The whining about people that don't want to deal with cocksuckers exactly proves the point that the whole "gay rights" movement isn't about rights at all but is merely childish in your face horseshite, which of course liberals are going to glom onto because basically a liberal is somebody who was picked on as a little kid, never got over it, and by God now they are getting even.
Well, frick them and frick the original poster.
The whining about people that don't want to deal with cocksuckers exactly proves the point that the whole "gay rights" movement isn't about rights at all but is merely childish in your face horseshite, which of course liberals are going to glom onto because basically a liberal is somebody who was picked on as a little kid, never got over it, and by God now they are getting even.
Well, frick them and frick the original poster.
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:40 am to Toddy
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And that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't try to force you. But I would make sure that all of my friends and family knew you don't believe I should be treated equally and we would never give you any business of any kind again.
The light, he's seent it.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:41 am to SettleDown
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I asked a friend of mine who decried the concept of being allowed to discriminate a simple question. What if someone from Westboro intentionally found a bakery owned by a gay man and requested a "God Hates figs" cake for a function of theirs. And, this baker happened to specialize in baking for private functions. Shouldn't the gay baker have the right to say "no thanks"? I think he should have that right.
Excellent.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:56 am to SettleDown
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What if someone from Westboro intentionally found a bakery owned by a gay man and requested a "God Hates figs" cake for a function of theirs.
Do you recall when this New Jersey baker refused to make an Adolf Hitler cake?
His freedom of association was affirmed. The state should not pick winners and losers, people should.
Cake shop denies Hitler cake.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:21 am to asurob1
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Yeah, I'm the problem here.
Your hatred of freedom is the problem.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:22 am to asurob1
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Yeah because the government telling business owners that discrimination is a bad thing is soooo Evil.
The government forcing people to do something is evil in most cases.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:24 am to asurob1
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Please feel free to paint your bigotry anyway you want, while hiding behind the guise of religious freedom
The point is not that bigotry is good, but that it should be legal.
Not everything that you or I disagree with should be illegal.
We are a very large and diverse country, if one business will not serve me, no doubt there is a dozen others that will.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:26 am to asurob1
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I am in favor of the federal government in forcing
There you go. This is THE issue. Many of us do not want the government forcing us to do things.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:59 am to asurob1
I simply assume you are a liberal?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 12:16 am to asurob1
I am amazed at how effective the left is at seizing this issue with a language twist.
This is not a discrimination bill, it is a freedom bill.
It merely says that the machinery of the state will not be brought down upon those who wish to live and act according to their religious convictions.
I am also amazed that it has come this.
I find it sad that states actually have to pass laws to "re grant" freedoms that should be there by default,
and that the mindset of many is that we don't have these freedoms unless the state tells us we do.
This is not a discrimination bill, it is a freedom bill.
It merely says that the machinery of the state will not be brought down upon those who wish to live and act according to their religious convictions.
I am also amazed that it has come this.
I find it sad that states actually have to pass laws to "re grant" freedoms that should be there by default,
and that the mindset of many is that we don't have these freedoms unless the state tells us we do.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:18 am to gthog61
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Well, frick them and frick the original poster.
I'm complimented by your interest in fricking me.
But wouldn't that make you gay?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:21 am to TrueTiger
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This is not a discrimination bill, it is a freedom bill.
uh no.
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It merely says that the machinery of the state will not be brought down upon those who wish to live and act according to their religious convictions.
We will see how long it holds up the first time a catholic business owner cast a divorced chick or single mom out of his restaurant.
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I find it sad that states actually have to pass laws to "re grant" freedoms that should be there by default,
and that the mindset of many is that we don't have these freedoms unless the state tells us we do.
It's called civil rights...you want to do business in this country...you don't get to discriminate.
As I have said before...I have little problem with bigots..they can be dumb arse all they want.
My problem is the government is getting involved and trying to make it okay for them to be bigots in their place of business.
We have housing discrimination laws for a reason.
We had a civil rights act for a reason.
This baby is dead on arrival.
That being said...I hope grandma Jan signs it into law.
Watching the financial implosion of Arizona will be glorious.
And if you don't think that will happen...the state hasn't become to recover from 1070 yet.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:24 am to asurob1
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My problem is the government is getting involved and trying to make it okay for them to be bigots in their place of business.
Except you have it exactly backwards, this is an example of the government is getting out of the way and letting people choose their own moral path.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:07 am to asurob1
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uh no.
Why do you hate freedom in the private sector?
Why are you ok with the state interfering in a private citizen's property and what he does with it and who he allows to use it when he has not hurt anybody, stole anything or conducted slander/fraud?
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We will see how long it holds up the first time a catholic business owner cast a divorced chick or single mom out of his restaurant.
No problem with that. It doesn't belong to them because it does not use public funds.
Public Sector = you cannot discriminate at all.
Private Sector = it's your property, do whatever you want.
Rob, private citizens and their private property do not belong to other people or the gov't.
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It's called civil rights...you want to do business in this country...you don't get to discriminate.
Employment and commerce ie buying products are not civil rights.
You just basically said you're ok with gov't legislating and forcing morality on private citizens. I suppose you don't see it as that way since you agree with what's being legislated and forced. Hypocrital.
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As I have said before...I have little problem with bigots..they can be dumb arse all they want.
Then why do you want gov't to stop them from being bigots?
Making sure we all hold hands and sing kumbaya is not the job of the gov't.
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My problem is the government is getting involved and trying to make it okay for them to be bigots in their place of business.
This bill is quite the opposite. It's getting out of the way of the private sector when they are not harming anyone, stealing anything or slandering and conducting fraud. The way it should be.
If the business does not receive public funds and any subsidies of any sort, the state should have no obligation to make sure a business does not discriminate. Legislating morality on private citizens should not be a role of the state.
Why do you hate freedom in the private sector and want to take it away for something you morally disagree with?
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We have housing discrimination laws for a reason.
More gov't telling private property owners what to do with their property they own. Yay.
Rob, this is hypocrisy, period.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 2:22 am
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:14 am to Sentrius
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Rob, this is hypocrisy, period.
Indeed.
We all know that Rob is all for government getting out of the way and letting people choose their morality when it comes to abortion.
As long as the morality matches his view, it's all good.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:29 am to TrueTiger
I edited my post to add something.
He's essentially like a social conservative pushing morality, that's where the hypocrisy is coming from. In this case, his hatred of religion is clouding his mind and he's biased as frick. It's like the mirror of the bible thumpers hatred of atheists.
Me, I don't discriminate when it comes to legislated morality from bible thumpers or atheists.
It's late. I'm going to bed.
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We all know that Rob is all for government getting out of the way and letting people choose their morality when it comes to abortion.
As long as the morality matches his view, it's all good.
He's essentially like a social conservative pushing morality, that's where the hypocrisy is coming from. In this case, his hatred of religion is clouding his mind and he's biased as frick. It's like the mirror of the bible thumpers hatred of atheists.
Me, I don't discriminate when it comes to legislated morality from bible thumpers or atheists.
It's late. I'm going to bed.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:13 am to asurob1
Poor, persecuted Southerners. Everything would have been peachy if the Big Bad Government hadn't crammed Jim Crow laws down their hard-working, small-business owning throats.
The South had segregation laws because Southerners wanted segregation laws and kept electing politicians who would ensure their survival. It was a populist, regional movement which painted the librhul federal government as the enemy... kinda like... well, you can make the connection.
"The President wants us to surrender this state to Martin Luther King and his group of pro-communists who have instituted these demonstrations." -- George Wallace
ETA: While awarding the admirable Mr Wallace an honorary doctorate from his fine institution, Mr Bob Jones Jr said:
"Men who have fought for truth and righteousness have always been slandered, maligned, and misrepresented. The American press in its attacks upon Governor Wallace has demonstrated that it is no longer free, American, or honest. But you, Mr. Governor, have demonstrated not only by the overwhelming victories in the recent elections in your own state of Alabama but also in the showing which you have made in states long dominated by cheap demagogues and selfish radicals that there is still in America love for freedom, hard common sense, and at least some hope for the preservation of our constitutional liberties."
Sounds exactly like... well...
The South had segregation laws because Southerners wanted segregation laws and kept electing politicians who would ensure their survival. It was a populist, regional movement which painted the librhul federal government as the enemy... kinda like... well, you can make the connection.
"The President wants us to surrender this state to Martin Luther King and his group of pro-communists who have instituted these demonstrations." -- George Wallace
ETA: While awarding the admirable Mr Wallace an honorary doctorate from his fine institution, Mr Bob Jones Jr said:
"Men who have fought for truth and righteousness have always been slandered, maligned, and misrepresented. The American press in its attacks upon Governor Wallace has demonstrated that it is no longer free, American, or honest. But you, Mr. Governor, have demonstrated not only by the overwhelming victories in the recent elections in your own state of Alabama but also in the showing which you have made in states long dominated by cheap demagogues and selfish radicals that there is still in America love for freedom, hard common sense, and at least some hope for the preservation of our constitutional liberties."
Sounds exactly like... well...
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 6:17 am
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:21 am to todospm
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:32 am to asurob1
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It's called civil rights...you want to do business in this country...you don't get to discriminate.
If this is the way we have to do business in this country,
I am going to march down to the local muslim owned butcher shop and demand that they sell me pork.
If they refuse, I'll sue!
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:33 am to asurob1
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I'm complimented by your interest in fricking me.
But wouldn't that make you gay?
That's all you've got?
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