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re: Atlanta is lost
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:14 am to LSU Jax
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:14 am to LSU Jax
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I’m sorry your city sucks
Parts of Atlanta do indeed suck. Since those parts are across 16 lanes of an interstate from me it is easy to avoid them. Every major city in America has places like this it isn't unique to Atlanta. I have to laugh at people who have barely been out of their Louisiana Parrish saying other places suck. Just like people who have never been out of South Georgia telling me Atlanta 'sucks'
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:14 am to ronricks
Yes I am aware there is a Vortex in midtown. The one in L5P is “cooler”. No reason to go to either as there are better places in the burbs. I’ve lived in Atlanta for 20 years now and we’ve checked all the boxes of the “ATL Bucket List” of things to do and now that I have a family and crime has exploded, that ATL list of things to do is down to basically nothing. I can accomplish everything I need to do in the suburbs. There is simply no reason for me to drag my family into ATL at this point.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:21 am to Man4others
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Yes I am aware there is a Vortex in midtown. The one in L5P is “cooler”. No reason to go to either as there are better places in the burbs. I’ve lived in Atlanta for 20 years now and we’ve checked all the boxes of the “ATL Bucket List” of things to do and now that I have a family and crime has exploded, that ATL list of things to do is down to basically nothing. I can accomplish everything I need to do in the suburbs. There is simply no reason for me to drag my family into ATL at this point.
Increasingly this is true in Atlanta and everywhere. It's watered down usually, but not always. Urbanization has helped create community and better quality community assets for suburbs. The suburbs have decent breweries, non-chain restaurants, central gathering areas, etc.
Is it inauthentic? Usually. But when you're talking about lower density cities like Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, how much authenticity do the urban neighborhoods have anyway?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:21 am to LSU Jax
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I’m sorry your city sucks
says the guy who drove an hour up from newnan to eat at one of our restaurants. See my post earlier in this thread, it describes you to a T.
"Atlanta sucks and I hate it!!!! Well, except for the times when they have something I like and then I want to go, but besides from that it sucks!!!"
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:23 am to ronricks
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I have to laugh at people who have barely been out of their Louisiana Parrish saying other places suck.
I’ve been to many different areas of this country. It’s pretty sad when I encounter mask enforcement in an allegedly red state more suffocating than anywhere I went in California. After the CDC lifted the mandates no less.
Digest. LOL.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:26 am to Wally Sparks
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MARTA covers all three major CoA business districts, Perimeter Center, the airport, the MBS and GWCC complex, the State Capitol complex, many residential neighborhoods, etc. Where else where you thinking?
On the spectrum of MARTA-haters to MARTA-apologists, I'm pretty centrist. I have hopes for Marta but recognize its failings/shortcomings.
Let's be real - it has very obvious shortcomings. Chief among them are its (lack) of residential-area routes. It's a 2-axis metro without nearly enough reach into actual residential areas... both ITP & OTP.
I understand a lot of that is on the burbs for shooting it down, but at worse that leaves you with a chicken & egg problem on the system's shortcomings and how to fix it.
Take the burbs out of it - it still could and should be more extensive with more branches ITP where it is supported. Yet, it's not. It's too reliant on confusing, terrible bus service to cover those areas.
N. Druid Hills is massively under-served, the entire NW quadrant of the city is unserved. Etc
ETA: They couldn't even be bothered to run some kind of line over to Turner Field, for Pete's sake.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:26 am to LSU Jax
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It’s pretty sad when I encounter mask enforcement in an allegedly red state more suffocating than anywhere I went in California. After the CDC lifted the mandates no less.
LINK
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San Diego County Public Health officials said they were waiting on further guidance from the California Department of Public Health to loosen the mask rules locally. On Monday, May 17, California health officials said the state won’t align with the CDC’s relaxed mask guidance. Instead, the state will stick to the target date of June 15 set by Gov. Gavin Newsom for fully reopening California – and finally getting rid of the color-coded tiered system.
Well now wait just a gul durn minute. This article says that California still has another month of mask mandates. Either you're lying out your arse, or some private businesses have taken it upon themselves to not enforce any kind of mask mandate. Similar to the deep, deep, deep blue area that you visited for a few minutes deciding that they wanted to enforce their own mask mandates.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:26 am to Man4others
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Yes I am aware there is a Vortex in midtown. The one in L5P is “cooler”. No reason to go to either as there are better places in the burbs. I’ve lived in Atlanta for 20 years now and we’ve checked all the boxes of the “ATL Bucket List” of things to do and now that I have a family and crime has exploded, that ATL list of things to do is down to basically nothing. I can accomplish everything I need to do in the suburbs. There is simply no reason for me to drag my family into ATL at this point.
Crime has indeed exploded. Its unfortunate and most of it is because we got a mayor that is in way over her head and had no business being elected in the first place. I am optimistic things can change later this year. If not, I will be leaving also. Keep in mind that the Atlanta suburbs are changing and not for the better. One only has to compare the Gwinnett and Cobb of 15 years ago to now. The fate of those places is going to be interesting as time goes on. Like I said it might be a good idea for me to leave Georgia completely as we are headed for a Stacey Abrams Governorship which will probably end as well as Keisha Lance Bottoms term as mayor has.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:31 am to Pettifogger
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I suppose we could blame it on another demographic but they certainly didn't ruin Atlanta.
Black people as a whole aren't the problem.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:34 am to Wally Sparks
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Black people as a whole aren't the problem.
No, they have self-loathing, White liberals assisting them.
Together they are a formidable force of destruction.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:41 am to Swoopin
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ETA: They couldn't even be bothered to run some kind of line over to Turner Field, for Pete's sake.
That was originally in the 1971 plan as a long-range line to the Carver Homes area, lack of funding killed it though.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:42 am to Flying Monkey
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No, they have self-loathing, White liberals assisting them.
Together they are a formidable force of destruction.
Hence why I said "leftists."
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:43 am to Wally Sparks
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Black people as a whole aren't the problem.
Atlanta is unique. It has a black middle and upper class that is non-existent almost everywhere else in America. This leads to social blending and integration also non-existent almost everywhere else in America.
It also has made Atlanta black mecca, which means that it appeals to a lot of people who aren't interested in the education or neighborhood offerings that make Atlanta a good place to live for black people. They're drawn to the lounges and malls, etc. and will drive from Tennessee or Alabama or other parts of Georgia to merely be around what Atlanta has to offer. And black Atlantans generally acquiesce to this. Merchants and restaurants and the like can't say shite, because unlike in other parts of the country, Atlanta really does have black shoppers that buy at Mayors or Neiman.
Atlanta is the most open city in the country to black people. It's not politically correct to say, but that has good and bad consequences. For example, police aren't profiling hoodrat looking dudes hanging around a fine jewelry store because they might be rappers about to drop 100k on swiss watches. Or they might be teens from Riverdale who are about to commit armed robbery.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:44 am to ronricks
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Louisiana Parrish
Hick.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:46 am to Wally Sparks
And in the 45 years between that time and the Braves moving to Truist?
That's kinda my point. MARTA and the city/region with regards to public transportation have failed due to a lack of vision and leadership.
Silly as it sounds - for a great many suburbanites, the Braves were their most common reason for coming in town. Making it convenient to get there by Marta could have heavily driven up ridership - bringing the fares with it, while also exposing these riders to the inherent value of mass transit. Perhaps getting them to use it for reasons beyond the Braves.
It may sound petty focusing on baseball - but there's 81 home games a year and 20K+ fans that wanted to be there.
That's kinda my point. MARTA and the city/region with regards to public transportation have failed due to a lack of vision and leadership.
Silly as it sounds - for a great many suburbanites, the Braves were their most common reason for coming in town. Making it convenient to get there by Marta could have heavily driven up ridership - bringing the fares with it, while also exposing these riders to the inherent value of mass transit. Perhaps getting them to use it for reasons beyond the Braves.
It may sound petty focusing on baseball - but there's 81 home games a year and 20K+ fans that wanted to be there.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:47 am to Swoopin
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That's kinda my point. MARTA and the city/region have failed due to a lack of vision and leadership.
"Will it bring MARTA to Turner" - My response for a decade every time I was asked if I would support a SPLOST
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:52 am to TygerDurden
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About the same damn way
In general, this is every big city. I have no desire to visit any of them.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:54 am to ronricks
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Keep in mind that the Atlanta suburbs are changing and not for the better
Well,the Atlanta "suburbs" keeps expanding and some are doing just fine (Forsyth,North Fulton,Cherokee,Bartow,etc) parts of Cobb,Gwinnett,Sandy Springs,Dunwoody not so much although still very nice neighborhoods in all those places.
It's very interesting to see some of the older suburbs that went downhill and now becoming gentrified... primarily in Dekalb (Chamblee,Tucker,Stone Mountain and even Clarkston) All have become "hot" areas for younger couples,gays and home flippers.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:57 am to Swoopin
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That's kinda my point. MARTA and the city/region with regards to public transportation have failed due to a lack of vision and leadership.
Silly as it sounds - for a great many suburbanites, the Braves were their most common reason for coming in town. Making it convenient to get there by Marta could have heavily driven up ridership - bringing the fares with it, while also exposing these riders to the inherent value of mass transit. Perhaps getting them to use it for reasons beyond the Braves.
The issue with MARTA to AFCS/Turner also stemmed from a very high capital cost with (relatively) low year-round benefit (there are still 250ish days in the year without Braves games). If there had been enough funding to do so, it would've been a no-brainer, but compared to other destinations (the airport, Doraville, and Perimeter Center) that had far higher year-round use, the Southeast Branch simply did not rank high enough in line prioritization at the time.
IMHO, the real screw-up was not building Centennial Olympic Stadium closer to an existing MARTA station (my preference would've been where MBS is now). Had that happened, the Braves would likely have stayed intown and not have to deal with the Summerhill/Mechanicsville areas around the Ted.
Now the only hope for MARTA is to spend over a billion dollars to run heavy rail to Truist in a county that historically viewed MARTA as a four-letter word.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:59 am to Pettifogger
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Atlanta is unique. It has a black middle and upper class that is non-existent almost everywhere else in America. This leads to social blending and integration also non-existent almost everywhere else in America.
It also has made Atlanta black mecca, which means that it appeals to a lot of people who aren't interested in the education or neighborhood offerings that make Atlanta a good place to live for black people. They're drawn to the lounges and malls, etc. and will drive from Tennessee or Alabama or other parts of Georgia to merely be around what Atlanta has to offer. And black Atlantans generally acquiesce to this. Merchants and restaurants and the like can't say shite, because unlike in other parts of the country, Atlanta really does have black shoppers that buy at Mayors or Neiman.
Atlanta is the most open city in the country to black people. It's not politically correct to say, but that has good and bad consequences. For example, police aren't profiling hoodrat looking dudes hanging around a fine jewelry store because they might be rappers about to drop 100k on swiss watches. Or they might be teens from Riverdale who are about to commit armed robbery.
This is a good way of putting it.
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