re: As I drink my coffee reading all the negativity towards Trump and his policies.

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You’re going to have economic stagnation until this or the next president ends these tariffs.

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Tariffs will definitely have a punishing affect on the economy. You're not revealing some big secret here. Everybody knows that tariffs lead to a deflationary market. Yeah, the whole supply and demand thing is unavoidable. Demand will fall. No shite Sherlock.

It's a matter of who flinches first.

There's already been over a trillion dollars in pledges to invest in American manufacture. We'll see what happens over time. But if it means a stronger industrial base in America, I don't see how that's a bad thing.

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Didn’t CNN & MSNBC tell us we wouldn’t be able to afford coffee just recently?

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There is no American-made option for coffee.

Pretty sure Kona coffee is among the most expensive in the world.

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I have some advice, take a deep breath, be in prayer, and realize we live in historic times. No one likes to be out of their normal or comfort zone but the truth is we as a country are being destroyed from within. Spiritually, morally, mentally, physically, economically, every aspect of our lives has been under attack for decades by every branch of our government. Elon Musk who has access to more evidence of the corruption and rot has said that if we continue to just go with the status quo’s of spending and corruption, we are headed for dark times.

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Arguably the best paragraph I've read on this site in some time. If only most of the country had the wisdom to understand that every word of what you've stated here is the Gospel truth.

EDIT - I've been more of a Coke Zero guy (love that stuff), but Aspartame is bad for us. Trying to find some alternatives. I have found something called Vita Coco water. Not bad at all, and healthy, although I doubt I'll ever find anything I like as much as Coke Zero.

We sent men to the moon 55 years ago, but nobody can figure out how to make a healthy soda?

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The only people in this country who'll want to work in a rubber dogshit factory, pulling a lever are the millions of Mexicans who Donald Trump won't deport.

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Which is why a "return to mfg" will require either mass immigration or mass layoffs/robotics.

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Meanwhile, voters are back to the polls in 18 months. People are going to crucify Trump and the Republicans for this, and we are going to be all the worse for it.

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Especially if they're all like you. Which unfortunately seems to be somewhat common nowadays. Wishy washy chicken-littles that aren't willing to endure a little hardship for a better future.

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Especially if they're all like you. Which unfortunately seems to be somewhat common nowadays. Wishy washy chicken-littles that aren't willing to endure a little hardship for a better future.

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History and economics tell a story that disagree with your stance on this. Smoot Hawley cost Republicans Congressional control for 46 of the next 50 years, the tariffs had such a negative consequence that the prevailing thought became free trade is better for our economy, and the middle class in this country has thrived since.

You want to address entitlements, I’m all in. You want to cause pain on weaning people off of their government dependence, I’m here to watch and support that culling from the government rolls.

But tariffs? The most asinine policy Trump could have pushed, and the consequence on this is likely going to be something we are all looking back at and wondering why the hell did he ever do it as Trump is dealing with a House and a Senate that he cannot get a single piece of legislation through.

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So your saying & belief is that the middle American towns that had mills in them were not gutted by companies leaving the country and those same countries that industries now are in have not been heavily charging us tariffs on what goods they do get from us ? Do you really believe that if those companies were still here the middle class lives would have still decreased? Or is it that you have no real depth of understanding and knowledge for this subject and just debating for the sake of doing?

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If you want to posit such an argument, I’ll engage it. I’ll even let you cherry pick the town and the industry that left, allow you to speak on the effect on the community in question, and then we will explore the greater outcome as much as you want.

You should have no problem finding a rust belt town that was crushed when a steel mill left. Let’s explore whatever you choose when you are ready.

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Shrubber you do know that up until thee feds forced taxes on citizens that tariffs paid the bills right? That old George Washington himself signed the paper that authorized. These were the same intellectual and strong minded people that say delivered us from Britains iron hand, provided us with a unique constitution that continues to be the best the world has ever seen. I would trust that sound judgment over say free entitlements, heavily taxes and those who would want to forgo that constitution

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We are no longer close to the same economy.

Wealth is no longer static, its created. Trade deficits mean nothing by themselves.

It would be cheaper for MAGA to subsidize low level worker wages than engage in a trade war to "fix it."