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re: As a Catholic, I view the pope the same as I do the English monarch
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:45 pm to Canon951
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:45 pm to Canon951
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what about Galatians 2 : 7-9? Any thoughts?
Yes you misunderstand Paul and you pit him against the other apostles.
You ignore was is said in acts where Paul seeks approval from Peter and the other apostles before he starts his ministry. He even spends two years as an understudy with another apostle(I forget who) before he is trusted to take Timmothy as his understudy a preach on his own.
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:47 pm to Canon951
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There is also some evidence that Mark 16:16 is not even in the earliest manuscripts but you do you.
"you do you"
What about Acts 2:38, not to mention all the other examples of conversion to Christianity in the book of Acts? You want to just arbitrarily cut out every verse from the Bible that you don't agree with, well, "you do you."
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:48 pm to BamaGradinTn
Did I hurt your little feelings by calling you out? You are wrong.
We should get baptized to let everyone know we have been born again. But there are countless people who do not have the ability to be baptized and they are now precluded from going to heaven?
We should get baptized to let everyone know we have been born again. But there are countless people who do not have the ability to be baptized and they are now precluded from going to heaven?
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:48 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Those "every Christians"...does that include Popes that sent people off to kill thousands in the Crusades?
Yes
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:51 pm to BamaGradinTn
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what those who came after the Apostles believed counts for absolutely zero from a Scriptural point of view. Unlike the Apostles, they clearly were not inspired by God.
You came after the apostles…
Is it ok to dismiss what you believe?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:52 pm to Guntoter1
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Yes you misunderstand Paul and you pit him against the other apostles.
You ignore was is said in acts where Paul seeks approval from Peter and the other apostles before he starts his ministry. He even spends two years as an understudy with another apostle(I forget who) before he is trusted to take Timmothy as his understudy a preach on his own.
Yes and while there Paul had to call Peter out for his hypocrisy. Then they agreed that Peter would go to the jews and Paul to the gentiles.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:57 pm to Guntoter1
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You ignore was is said in acts where Paul seeks approval from Peter and the other apostles before he starts his ministry.
This is utterly false.
Acts 9, immediately after God appeared to him...
"Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.
21 Then all who heard were amazed, and said, “Is this not he who destroyed those who called on this name in Jerusalem, and has come here for that purpose, so that he might bring them bound to the chief priests?”
22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who dwelt in Damascus, proving that this Jesus is the Christ."
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He even spends two years as an understudy with another apostle(I forget who) before he is trusted to take Timmothy as his understudy a preach on his own.
Paul first met Timothy in Acts 16, and Timothy accompanied him on his journey. Then, shortly afterwards in Acts 19, Paul decided to send Timothy and Erastu to Macedonia. No mention at all of this idea that somehow Paul had to serve as an intern before being "entrusted" to take Timothy with him
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:00 pm to Canon951
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Yes and while there Paul had to call Peter out for his hypocrisy. Then they agreed that Peter would go to the jews and Paul to the gentiles.
You are correct .
Paul corrected Peter when Peter made a mistake. And Peter saw his error and repented.
What’s you point? That now Peter needs to get Paul’s approval on the faith? Paul admits his preaching would be in vain without the approval of Peter.
It does not mean that Peter is perfect or that Peter is sinless …
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:00 pm to Guntoter1
I'm more interested in your take on the direction they agreed to go with their ministry.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:03 pm to BamaGradinTn
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This is utterly false. Acts 9, immediately after God appeared to him... "Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God. 21 Then all who heard were amazed, and said, “Is this not he who destroyed those who called on this name in Jerusalem, and has come here for that purpose, so that he might bring them bound to the chief priests?” 22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who dwelt in Damascus, proving that this Jesus is the Christ."
I see that you are not familiar with much of the New Testament .
Please go read it all and get back to me
I now have a much better understanding of why your theology is so distorted.
You don’t know scripture.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:06 pm to BamaGradinTn
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You want to just arbitrarily cut out every verse from the Bible that you don't agree with
So you are doing the snake handling thing?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:06 pm to catholictigerfan
That’s Joe. The guy that wrote the book I referenced before. He really does cover the papacy debate well. Even the argument against it.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:11 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Sure, we are also saved by faith. But we are also saved by our obedience to the Gospel.
Obeying the gospel is believing the gospel. What do you think the gospel is? A set of rules to be followed? God sent his son into the world to save sinners. He died for us to pay for our sins. He rose from the dead and is seated in heaven at the right hand of the father making intercession for us. This is the gospel. He wants us to believe he did that for us. Not follow some set of rules that no one is able to follow.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:13 pm to the808bass
No, others were given authority too, that’s clear in Matthew 18. Catholics don’t deny that. The difference is Peter is singled out in a unique way. He alone gets the keys in Matthew 16, which points back to Isaiah 22, the office of the chief steward. Then you see him act like it in Acts, speaking first, settling issues, opening the door to the Gentiles. So it’s not “Peter instead of the others,” it’s Peter with a distinct role among them.
As for the Fathers, that’s just not accurate. Plenty of early writers affirm a special role for Peter and the Church at Rome, even if they explain it in different ways.
And on Aramaic vs Greek, it’s not either/or. The Greek text still shows the distinction being made, and the surrounding context (keys, authority, binding and loosing) reinforces that Jesus is talking about Peter himself, not switching to something abstract mid-sentence. I e already addressed this in an earlier post.
As for the Fathers, that’s just not accurate. Plenty of early writers affirm a special role for Peter and the Church at Rome, even if they explain it in different ways.
And on Aramaic vs Greek, it’s not either/or. The Greek text still shows the distinction being made, and the surrounding context (keys, authority, binding and loosing) reinforces that Jesus is talking about Peter himself, not switching to something abstract mid-sentence. I e already addressed this in an earlier post.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:14 pm to METAL
Galatians 2 : 7-9?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:15 pm to Canon951
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Obeying the gospel is believing the gospel. What do you think the gospel is? A set of rules to be followed? God sent his son into the world to save sinners. He died for us to pay for our sins. He rose from the dead and is seated in heaven at the right hand of the father making intercession for us. This is the gospel. He wants us to believe he did that for us. Not follow some set of rules that no one is able to follow.
Quote: Jesus : “Let us do all that God requires” also
“He who does the will of the father will be saved”
Wow DOING THE WILL sounds a lot like doing works.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:17 pm to Guntoter1
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Quote: Jesus : “Let us do all that God requires” also
“He who does the will of the father will be saved”
Wow DOING THE WILL sounds a lot like doing works.
John 6 ^^^ (this is the will of God below)
28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
John 6:39–40
“This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me…
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life…”
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:21 pm to Canon951
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“This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me… For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life…”
You seem incapable of understanding that your quote from scripture does not nullify my quote.
They are both true.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:22 pm to Canon951
Paul is talking about mission roles, not authority structure. Peter is sent primarily to the Jews, Paul to the Gentiles. That’s division of labor, not a denial of Peter’s leadership. Even in that same passage, Peter is still listed first and described as someone God is working through in a unique way. And when there’s a major doctrinal dispute in Acts 15, it’s Peter who speaks decisively and settles the issue before James gives the pastoral wrap-up.
Also, think about it practically. If Peter being “apostle to the Jews” cancels out any broader role, then Paul being “apostle to the Gentiles” would make him supreme over everyone else too. But nobody argues that. Different missions don’t erase structure.
TLDR: Those are complementary roles, not competing authority.
Also, think about it practically. If Peter being “apostle to the Jews” cancels out any broader role, then Paul being “apostle to the Gentiles” would make him supreme over everyone else too. But nobody argues that. Different missions don’t erase structure.
TLDR: Those are complementary roles, not competing authority.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:23 pm to Guntoter1
Defend your position with chapter and verse. There are no works required for salvation other than believing Jesus is the messiah and trusting him for everlasting life.
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