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re: Arkansas farmers want bailouts
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:13 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:13 pm to loogaroo
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California produces almost twice as much. Neither has crawfish to bridge the gap and they still sustain their acreage.
California has only 25k more acres than LA this year and 40% of the time has less or the same because their water gets cut
2 years ago they only planted 250k acres
Their cost are also much higher
Most farmers there have other income from big money hunting leases, and they have other acres in tree crops or tomatoes or sunflowers
Ark guys make money from hunting leases and they also can grow high yielding beans and corn - that’s why they are complaining right now because those are low also
More acres doesn’t mean they’re making more money and they aren’t planting the amount they used to
Also their rice acres have shift more to the NE because SE Ark can make big corn/ soybean yields
Everyone has other means of income / rotational crops that are helping - same as crawfish
I’d say right now LA in 2025 rice industry is probably in the best shape out of those 3 until Trumps new Japan deal kicks in and helps Calrose price
Ark yields/quality are inconsistent and 2nd crop is a difference maker for south LA
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Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:14 pm to cornerstore
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How does this crop insurance work? They don’t want you to grow real food because of the risk of lost harvest? Who underwrites this?
Farm bill subsidies are heavily weighted toward the major commodity crops instead of fruits and vegetables.
LINK (Note, I'm part of this organization at the local level in my area. They put out some great research.)
Here's a primer on crop insurances LINK
This post was edited on 9/7/25 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:25 pm to beaverfever
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And this is just the theater that comes up when the subsidies aren’t coming out as fast as normal?
You bet your arse. Anyone that owns 10k acers plus is worried about this if their land is being farmed.
This post was edited on 9/7/25 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:32 pm to Midtiger farm
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Their cost are also much higher
Most farmers there have other income from big money hunting leases, and they have other acres in tree crops or tomatoes or sunflowers
Ark guys make money from hunting leases and they also can grow high yielding beans and corn - that’s why they are complaining right now because those are low also
More acres doesn’t mean they’re making more money and they aren’t planting the amount they used to
Also their rice acres have shift more to the NE because SE Ark can make big corn/ soybean yields
just made my argument.
We are one dimensional down here save crawfish.
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Ark yields/quality are inconsistent and 2nd crop is a difference maker for south LA
And...they cannot ratoon a crop like we can. Makes my argument even stronger.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:42 pm to loogaroo
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We are one dimensional down here save crawfish
Is crawfish going anywhere?
We aren’t the ones calling town hall meetings and talking about farm bankruptcies so I’d say we are more stable and our rice acres have been more stable over the last 10 years
I’d say crawfish is a better crop for cash flow of an operation than soybeans even at big yields
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hey cannot ratoon a crop like we can
This is advantage for the south LA industry that makes us stronger and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing
One 3 year El Niño drought which could easily happen would kill California’s industry
They’d end up like Texas is right now
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:47 pm to TigersHuskers
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I bet you are cool with every other form of corporate welfare though. But hey frick the farmers i guess
Guaranteed most of the people on these threads don’t know sh!t about the AG industry.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:52 pm to deltaland
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deltaland
Why keep doing this if you’re losing money every year and living off the taxpayer? Unless you enjoy living off the taxpayer
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:52 pm to texag7
quote:I’m ignorant on the topic. Just trying to distill this discussion into a broad summary for the other regular folks reading and wanting to understand the topic better,
Nobody has clarified yet these “subsidies” I wonder why
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:56 pm to totospumpernickel
I've been warning of this for months and there's going to be a lot more of them, the farming situation in the US right now is as bad as it's been in a long while. Idk the answer
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:57 am to totospumpernickel
Elections have consequences. If they wanted access to markets for their soybeans they shouldn’t have voted for the candidates who closed access to their markets.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 6:34 am to TBoy
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Elections have consequences. If they wanted access to markets for their soybeans they shouldn’t have voted for the candidates who closed access to their markets.
You are dumb.
For starters, Brazil et al is by-passing the US commodity exchange, which basically set the price globally. How? Because we would know what to tell US farmers to plant based on what South America was (or wasn’t) selling.
As a result, China is turning to South American countries such as Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay because, wait for it…they are cheaper. This predates Trump.
Secondly, there is this:
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Still, prices continue to creep downward. The reason, Frankenfield said, is the expected good yield nationwide, which could have a direct impact on prices realized by growers in Pennsylvania and the eastern U.S. “Storage at harvest is expected to be an issue in the Midwest,” Frankenfield said. “That’s driving their basis down, making it more enticing to possibly ship some of that crop to the East.” With a lack of storage forcing some Midwest producers to sell corn and soybeans out of the field this fall, the arrival of that grain in the East will increase the supply and could weaken the basis in eastern states, according to Frankenfield.
And lastly there is this:
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And then there’s the weather. Frankenfield said Pennsylvania corn and soybean crops look good, but current dry conditions could cause smaller bean size, thus reducing yields.
Yea, China is boycotting soybeans and corn, but to claim that is the only factor is moronic.
Even if they were purchasing, the prices would still be low.
The trade war isn’t helping matters, but this aspect was already happening.
You were just unaware.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:29 am to totospumpernickel
well you voted for this.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:28 am to TBoy
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Elections have consequences. If they wanted access to markets for their soybeans they shouldn’t have voted for the candidates who closed access to their markets.
you think this all came about in the 9 months since Trump has been President? how fricking dumb are you?
China has been investing in Brazil for 15 years because they don't want to buy from the US
Also these are the fruits of a terrible ag/rural America policy thats been in place through multiple Presidents for the last 40 years
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:12 am to Midtiger farm
I spoke with a partner of an engineering/fabrication/maintenance firm in Stuttgart last week. He does work all over the nation for rice, soybeans and corn. He's not happy that he voted for Trump right now unless something changes.
This is worse than when his company designed, fabricated and built 28 biodiesel plants almost 2 decades ago with target market of Europe then EU put a $1 per gallon tariff on it if coming from the US. Every last one of those plants went bankrupt.
This is worse than when his company designed, fabricated and built 28 biodiesel plants almost 2 decades ago with target market of Europe then EU put a $1 per gallon tariff on it if coming from the US. Every last one of those plants went bankrupt.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:14 am to TBoy
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Elections have consequences.
Bingo.
The current trend is anti business (not anti corporation) and you cannot make plans on wishy washy tariffs and trade policies.
The instability is causing chaos.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:16 am to Midtiger farm
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you think this all came about in the 9 months since Trump has been President? how fricking dumb are you?
No, but his instability has really hurt businesses across the board, whether y'all acknowledge it or not.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No, but his instability has really hurt businesses across the board, whether y'all acknowledge it or not.
I’d advise you to step out of this thread **** but you have no clue in general but really have no clue about ag
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:17 am to Midtiger farm
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I’d advise you to step out of this thread ****
Aww.... populist feelings have been hurt.
frick your socialism.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:18 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:You shouldn't talk about something you obviously know nothing about.
Farming is damn near guaranteed income.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:21 am to Midtiger farm
A longtime friend who is an exec with an international grain trading company told me last week that Argentina and Brazil are laughing all the way to the bank regarding US tariff policies.
As for LA planting soybeans, its' not like it used to be when rice rotated regularly with soybeans and cattle. Now, I don't live in SW LA any longer so don't see if anything changed.
There are a number of 10,000+ acre owners who make up a big chunk of rice growers. These are "corporate" farms and have been since pre-WWII. They used to own all their own equipment and house workers but are now sharecropped. Sharecroppers can make serious bank but they have millions worth of equipment to do it.
As for LA planting soybeans, its' not like it used to be when rice rotated regularly with soybeans and cattle. Now, I don't live in SW LA any longer so don't see if anything changed.
There are a number of 10,000+ acre owners who make up a big chunk of rice growers. These are "corporate" farms and have been since pre-WWII. They used to own all their own equipment and house workers but are now sharecropped. Sharecroppers can make serious bank but they have millions worth of equipment to do it.
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