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re: Arizona religious bill that angered gays vetoed

Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:31 am to
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29457 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:31 am to
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Let them try to prove I'm lying.


While I agree with you completely, I'm willing to bet a jury of your peers would decide that you should've cleared your schedule.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124365 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:34 am to
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I don't understand why this is a boom.
The boom?

He describes a couple avoiding the man's business for no reason except abject bigotry.
The government completely tolerates that bigotry.

However if the same couple, who hate the baker solely because of his religion, can contrive a scenario which the man might find too unpleasant to support (or a message too oppositional to his belief to include on a cake), they can lever that opportunity against him. They can bring the full force of their bigotry to bear on him.

They can petition the government, based on gay-rights, into shutting him down.


This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 8:38 am
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63694 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:57 am to
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you are commingling state mandated discrimination with private discrimination

these are not the same


Didn't say they were the same. I did say that we would have some of the same results.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:00 am to
Normally I'd say Impeach Brewer but in this case she was bullied.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63694 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:05 am to
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within a year or so we'd have at least some of the same problems we had during jim crow.
You haven't read the bill, have you.


That post was a specific response to Scruffy, not the bill itself.

I did read this:

SB 1062 allows people to claim their religious beliefs as a defense against claims of discrimination.


and this:

Brewer pushed back hard against the GOP conservatives who forced the bill forward by citing examples of religious rights infringements in other states.

"I have not heard one example in Arizona where a business owner's religious liberty has been violated," Brewer said. "The bill is broadly worded and could result in unintended and negative consequences."

And she chastised the GOP-controlled state Legislature for sending her a divisive bill instead of working on a state budget that continues her economic expansion policies or an overhaul of Arizona's broken child welfare system, her top priorities.

In a reference to the gay marriage debate that has expanded across the nation, she reached out to the religious right with sympathy but said 1062 was not the solution.

"Our society is undergoing many dramatic changes," she said. "However, I sincerely believe that Senate Bill 1062 has the potential to create more problems than it purports to solve. It could divide Arizona in ways we cannot even imagine and nobody could ever want."


Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:07 am to
Yay, she just gained 2% of the populations votes!
Posted by Socratics
Virginia Beach
Member since Dec 2013
2473 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:50 am to
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Jim Crow laws forced private business to segregate blacks and whites. It was government force just like the laws forcing Christian business owners to go against their conscience or be sued by the state.


So their was no discrimination before the Jim Crow laws?
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:12 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124365 posts
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

"I have not heard one example in Arizona where a business owner's religious liberty has been violated,"
Right.

Two of the most egregious cases occurred in contiguous states.
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