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re: Arizona religious bill that angered gays vetoed
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:31 am to Godfather1
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:31 am to Godfather1
quote:
Let them try to prove I'm lying.
While I agree with you completely, I'm willing to bet a jury of your peers would decide that you should've cleared your schedule.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:34 am to GumboPot
quote:The boom?
I don't understand why this is a boom.
He describes a couple avoiding the man's business for no reason except abject bigotry.
The government completely tolerates that bigotry.
However if the same couple, who hate the baker solely because of his religion, can contrive a scenario which the man might find too unpleasant to support (or a message too oppositional to his belief to include on a cake), they can lever that opportunity against him. They can bring the full force of their bigotry to bear on him.
They can petition the government, based on gay-rights, into shutting him down.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 8:38 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:57 am to TrueTiger
quote:
you are commingling state mandated discrimination with private discrimination
these are not the same
Didn't say they were the same. I did say that we would have some of the same results.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:00 am to pistolpete23
Normally I'd say Impeach Brewer but in this case she was bullied.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:05 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
within a year or so we'd have at least some of the same problems we had during jim crow.
You haven't read the bill, have you.
That post was a specific response to Scruffy, not the bill itself.
I did read this:
SB 1062 allows people to claim their religious beliefs as a defense against claims of discrimination.
and this:
Brewer pushed back hard against the GOP conservatives who forced the bill forward by citing examples of religious rights infringements in other states.
"I have not heard one example in Arizona where a business owner's religious liberty has been violated," Brewer said. "The bill is broadly worded and could result in unintended and negative consequences."
And she chastised the GOP-controlled state Legislature for sending her a divisive bill instead of working on a state budget that continues her economic expansion policies or an overhaul of Arizona's broken child welfare system, her top priorities.
In a reference to the gay marriage debate that has expanded across the nation, she reached out to the religious right with sympathy but said 1062 was not the solution.
"Our society is undergoing many dramatic changes," she said. "However, I sincerely believe that Senate Bill 1062 has the potential to create more problems than it purports to solve. It could divide Arizona in ways we cannot even imagine and nobody could ever want."
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:07 am to pistolpete23
Yay, she just gained 2% of the populations votes!
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:50 am to los angeles tiger
quote:
Jim Crow laws forced private business to segregate blacks and whites. It was government force just like the laws forcing Christian business owners to go against their conscience or be sued by the state.
So their was no discrimination before the Jim Crow laws?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:12 pm to Socratics
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:32 pm to VOR
quote:Right.
"I have not heard one example in Arizona where a business owner's religious liberty has been violated,"
Two of the most egregious cases occurred in contiguous states.
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