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re: Argentina is making South American style socialism look bad.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:57 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:57 am to SDVTiger
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The TDS always wins with you
Name us anything that Trump did in his first term to shrink the size of the federal gov't and reduce spending. Really. Anything.
I'll patiently await the COVID excuses.
Oh, and I'd pay money to have any level of success that the Argentinians are having with their gov't reforms. I'm cautiously optimistic that Trump pulls it off this time based off the people he has surrounded himself with (not Trump himself).
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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DOGE will have no power. They will only make recommendations.
I fully understand this. I refer to "DOGE" as the cost cutting movement within Trump's administration, not necessarily the entity itself.
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I think he'll believe he doesn't need Congress to implement DOGE recommendations and will do it unilaterally through the admin (like in his first term).
A lot of it he can. Most of the government organizations and employees are under the Executive Branch. He will still need some cooperation from congress, however.
Maybe he will fail. At least he will try which is more than any president in modern history has done.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:57 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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But you are being dismissive of probably the biggest proposed spending cuts in modern history.
Nothing has been proposed yet and nothing has been implemented from those proposals yet.
As of now DOGE is in "the wall just got 10 feet higher" territory (of a wall that was never built).
But, I am dismissive of what's become an NPC talking point that DOGE will fix our debt/deficit issues, when that's just not possible with the numbers they have to target.
The reason why the conversation is being steered to hyper-focus on DOGE is so that Trump doesn't have to address the 800-lb elephant in the room: SS/Medicare.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:59 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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A lot of it he can.
Not really.
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Most of the government organizations and employees are under the Executive Branch.
And subject to various Congressional laws about both administrative action (like the APA) and employment laws protecting federal employees.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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You could cut all of that spending to $0 and it wouldn't change much. Just not enough money to fix things.
As someone who works for the Government I can tell you that there is a ton of wasteful spending.
Some of the biggest 'waste' is trying to save money by constantly repairing equipment that will never run right again and taking the lowest bidder for a project. It might 'save' money initially, but over the long haul you will pay double or triple trying to fix things.
I know that we have equipment that has cost us so much to repair over time that we could have bought two new ones to replace it.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But, I am dismissive of what's become an NPC talking point that DOGE will fix our debt/deficit issues, when that's just not possible with the numbers they have to target.
I've heard no one suggest this. I think most people just want to see a bloated government cut some. I don't think anyone thinks that DOGE alone is going to solve our problems.
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Nothing has been proposed yet
No government in modern history has even succeeded in stopping spending increases, much less cut spending.
If DOGE can cut government spending by $1 it will be the most successful cost cutting organization in modern U.S. history.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No government in modern history has even succeeded in stopping spending increases, much less cut spending.
As long as prices go up it will be hard for budgets to get cut unless you (not saying you in particular) are saying cut employees. At the local level that would be very difficult since most municipalities are understaffed. Now the federal level.....
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
c'mon SFP you can't play the above the fray Centrist when you clearly have TDS.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:51 pm to Klark Kent
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c'mon SFP you can't play the above the fray Centrist
Nothing centrist about rejecting Leftism and its economic theories.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
Says the John Kerry supporter.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
you don't reject Leftism, you simply criticize the Right.
there's a difference.
there's a difference.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:00 pm to Klark Kent
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you don't reject Leftism, you simply criticize the Right.
I criticize people LARPing as "the right" who promote Democrat bullshite and insanity.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
call it what you like. so will I.
you spend half your day waging war against conservatives and never utter negative sentiment against the Leftists.
you spend half your day waging war against conservatives and never utter negative sentiment against the Leftists.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:05 pm to Klark Kent
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and never utter negative sentiment against the Leftists.
Because so many are on here left ignored
I put in my time with BamaAtl and TigerDoc, and neither barely post anymore.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so that Trump doesn't have to address the 800-lb elephant in the room: SS/Medicare.
Have a upvote as you said nothing wrong. But the attempt of DOGE is a good idea no?
As to SS/Medicare does anyone including yourself have a plan that reduces spending on these and can it get passed?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:25 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:29 pm to goatmilker
This board would be so much better if SFP's father had pulled out.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:37 pm to goatmilker
Social Security retirement and social security disability should be completely separate entities. If you start taking money out of working peoples checks and listing them separately you would see an immediate uproar.
People dragging us down are the worst grifters.
People dragging us down are the worst grifters.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:44 pm to goatmilker
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But the attempt of DOGE is a good idea no?
Yes, it's just becoming a crutch/NPC talking point like this will solve stuff.
DOGE will have much more impact on the economy at large IF it can reduce the size of the bureaucracy (and the regulations that flow from it). That's a wholly separate conversation (especially since we can't "grow our way out" of this mess).
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As to SS/Medicare does anyone including yourself have a plan that reduces spending on these
Cut spending/benefits. Put it as part of the regular government and not in this special "mandatory spending" designation.
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and can it get passed
We can't even get Republicans to get on board with this anymore. Look at what happened when RDS tried a little bit of reform language in the primary.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:51 pm to WeeWee
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often draconian austerity measures.
This is whats needed here badly. But it aint happening without a crisis causing it to occur.
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