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re: Are you a nationalist?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:08 am to Powerman
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:08 am to Powerman
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can tell you the immigrants here in TX love America and don't have a victim mentality.
We have had different experiences then. To be fair, my experiences have been limited to South Houston, but they aren't anything like what you have stated. FWIW, my Spanish is pretty solid and I am going on what I hear, not what is being "reported" by others.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:21 am to SavageOrangeJug
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I am an American. I put America and Americans first. At all costs.
To what extent are you willing to do that?
I assume your just trying to be angry. The truth is that acts of war or genocide have been committed under the guise of nationalism.
Remember Hitler himself was a Nationalist Socialist.
If you really love your country, you could just be a Patriot. Being a nationalist indicates your may be willing to commit atrocities over a perceived sense of superiority.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:23 am to volod
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The truth is that acts of war or genocide have been committed under the guise of nationalism.
And under the guise of communism, and religion, and any other number of ideologies. I will repeat my previous response. So what?
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Being a nationalist indicates your may be willing to commit atrocities over a perceived sense of superiority.
No it doesn't.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:24 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Never.
When did Nationalist and racist start meaning the same thing?
quote:Correct. In the racist connotation, the nationalism reference is to the "Aryan Nation."
white nationalism is used to specifically discuss these groups that called for a nation-state based on race alone, such as the Northwest Front of Harold Covington
The term nationalist in the OP refers to the US as a nation.
One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.
No more than a North Korean described as a nationalist means any American self-identifying as a nationalist would then be a Pro-NoKo communist.
Different nations. Different connotations.
Folks implying nationalism in the OP context has anything whatsoever to do with race are imbeciles.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:27 am to KingofthePoint
Black Nationalist
White Nationalist
Google definitions.
The Webster ones aren't much better.
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(especially in the US) advocacy of or support for unity and political self-determination for black people, especially in the form of a separate black nation.
White Nationalist
quote:
White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white racial and national identity. Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation, of a "white ethnostate".
Google definitions.
The Webster ones aren't much better.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:32 am to PEPE
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Anyone who doesn't put their fellow countryman ahead of foreigners is essentially a traitor and no longer a countryman.
Who do you consider you're countrymen.
A nationalist for America would say that all Americans are my countrymen. That includes Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. As long as they are legal citizens by birth or other legally approved means.
This is where they differ from textbook definition of a white nationalist, who only considers Whites as citizens of their country.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:35 am to SavageOrangeJug
quote:If you support this aspect of nationalism, then you have no idea how alliances work.
especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nation
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:37 am to volod
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To what extent are you willing to do that?
To whatever means necessary.
quote:Supporting your country is "angry"? As opposed to the leftist loons attacking anyone outside of their hive mentality?
I assume your just trying to be angry.
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The truth is that acts of war or genocide have been committed under the guise of nationalism.
You mean like 63,000,000 dead Obama/Hillary voters? Sounds good. When do we start?
quote:At least you admit he was a socialist.
Remember Hitler himself was a Nationalist Socialist.
quote:You can be both.
If you really love your country, you could just be a Patriot.
quote:That depends on your definition of atrocity.
Being a nationalist indicates your may be willing to commit atrocities over a perceived sense of superiority.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:37 am to AggieHank86
Like most political,concepts, this one can be better understood by looking at a spectrum (or, even better, something with more than one axis). Limiting the discussion to one axis, something like the following can be helpful:
cosmocracy - globalism - internationalism - patriotism - nationalism
cosmocracy - globalism - internationalism - patriotism - nationalism
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:38 am to volod
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white nationalist,
Made up bullshite leftist propaganda.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:38 am to Powerman
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America first obviously. But it doesn't necessarily have to be at the detriment of other countries. Particularly our allies and trading partners. We don't live in some self sufficient utopia. We need other countries. Sometimes it's in our long term best interest for other countries to succeed as well. Not our enemies obviously but our allies and trading partners need to be healthy for us to thrive.
Look at the virus in China as a small example. Yes, many on here hate China but businesses in the US rely on the cheap labor from manufacturing. Certain goods will become more until they fix that issue.
You could imagine how much worse it would be if other allies had a major disaster. Like it or not, America is center stage in a GLOBAL ECONOMY. Politics aside, we are connected to a global. POTUS himself has FOREIGN ASSETS. The long term stability of these other nations is important Americans as a group are not willing to pay more expensive costs for cheap goods made in China, India, Mexico, etc.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:42 am to SavageOrangeJug
You get an A+ for being one of the first, if not the first, to not start a thread wondering what the heck was wrong with the term "White Nationalist" when discussing nationalism. 
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:46 am to cwill
quote:He will thank you for the kind compliment.
You get an A+ for being one of the first, if not the first, to not start a thread wondering what the heck was wrong with the term "White Nationalist" when discussion nationalism.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:46 am to SavageOrangeJug
Yes, America first.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:47 am to SavageOrangeJug
I’m 100% an American nationalist.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 10:52 am to AggieHank86
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cosmocracy - globalism - internationalism - patriotism - nationalism
For clarity...how do you see these as being distinct?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:00 am to SavageOrangeJug
White majoritarians are often conflated with white nationalists further muddying the waters
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:03 am to SavageOrangeJug
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You mean like 63,000,000 dead Obama/Hillary voters? Sounds good. When do we start?
No. The Holocaust. The Russian Gulags.
Some American ones include racially motivated lynchings.
Atrocity is an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.
Usually when someone identifies as a nationalist, they aren't doing for a perceived love of their countrymen. They are doing it out of a sense of antagonism towards a country they don't like.
Now, I'll be blunt with you. Governments, no matter if it's the US, a Western Nation, an Eastern Nation, etc. don't care about us. They care about promoting themselves and their power. The difference is how they chose to allocate the decision power. Our ideals about how the country should be, even if it's with the best intentions, doesn't matter. It's controlled by the wealthy and politicaly influenced. If the US saw a socialist type program that could boast it's power or get an advantage, it would take it. What's worse is that your average American citizen would sacrifice liberty for security and comfort. So even if nationalism was the best approach to take, how many people would be nationalist when it no longer benefits them.
Will a business be nationalist when it negatively hurts their stocks?
Will families stick to being nationalist when their food, housing, etc. prices are raised over a trade war?
Will people be nationalist if a series of wars takes place with no end in sight to protect the interests of the business and political classes, not actual American citizens?
Unless the decline of a country actually benefits your country in a positive way, then what you have is more problems not solutions.
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