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Are We Free to Discuss America’s Real Problems?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:29 pm
Great article from a University of Pennsylvania Law School Professor. It's worth the time it takes to read it.
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We then discussed the “cultural script”—a list of behavioral norms—that was almost universally endorsed between the end of World War II and the mid-1960s:
Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded, and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime.
These norms defined a concept of adult responsibility that was, we wrote, “a major contributor to the productivity, educational gains, and social coherence of that period.” The fact that the “bourgeois culture” these norms embodied has broken down since the 1960s, we argued, largely explains today’s social pathologies—and re-embracing that culture would go a long way toward addressing those pathologies.
In what became perhaps the most controversial passage, we pointed out that cultures are not equal in terms of preparing people to be productive citizens in a modern technological society, and we gave some examples of cultures less suited to achieve this:
The culture of the Plains Indians was designed for nomadic hunters, but is not suited to a First World, 21st-century environment. Nor are the single-parent, antisocial habits prevalent among some working-class whites; the anti-‘acting white’ rap culture of inner-city blacks; the anti-assimilation ideas gaining ground among some Hispanic immigrants.
The reactions to this piece raise the question of how unorthodox opinions should be dealt with in academia—and in American society at large.
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:31 pm to L.A.
We've progressed so much that good values are thrown to the wayside.
Progress? Lol
Progress? Lol
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:32 pm to L.A.
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Are We Free to Discuss America’s Real Problems?
No.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:35 pm to L.A.
Let the great culling again.
A big war would do just the trick. Bring back the draft and/or the elite just allows a rogue Nuke hit a couple US cities. Cant be having all these worthless freaks collapsing society.
A big war would do just the trick. Bring back the draft and/or the elite just allows a rogue Nuke hit a couple US cities. Cant be having all these worthless freaks collapsing society.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:05 pm to L.A.
quote:immorality
America’s Real Problems
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:16 pm to L.A.
The honest reply is a large percentage of Americans are shitty parents.
Acedemia spends far too much time and money studying the obvious.
Acedemia spends far too much time and money studying the obvious.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:19 pm to L.A.
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The fact that the “bourgeois culture” these norms embodied has broken down since the 1960s,
This is an old argument.
George Will said long ago the 1960's destroyed America.
But...IDK, people now say they were miserable. Who knows? But the mindset certainly changed...and the responsibility changed to it being okay to not be responsible.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:21 pm to GoT1de
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The honest reply
Socialism, welfare dependence and the lack of personal responsibility and accountability.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:48 pm to L.A.
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Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded, and charitable.
I’ve read good opinion pieces in the past that argue that the sexual revolution and the advent of birth control have largely contributed to the downward turn in society due to the economic hardships alone that come along with having a single parent household. It’s hard to do the rest of the great things in that list when the financial burden is so great.
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:23 pm to L.A.
The USA is doomed.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:27 pm to TerryDawg03
The "Millenial Success Sequence", by George Will:
1) hi school diploma
2) job
3) marriage
4) kids
Nation-wide poverty: 14%. In upper-aged Millenials, only 3% poverty rate if this is followed.
Jackson MS has a 35% poverty rate. Clarksdale MS county is 66% poverty rate.
1) hi school diploma
2) job
3) marriage
4) kids
Nation-wide poverty: 14%. In upper-aged Millenials, only 3% poverty rate if this is followed.
Jackson MS has a 35% poverty rate. Clarksdale MS county is 66% poverty rate.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:40 pm to L.A.
Great article. Educated Americans have fallen off the cliff in terms of remaining academic in the face of conflicting opinions. Thought provoking piece.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:48 pm to matthew25
Science, mathematics, or trade school. Guaranteed upper middle class in the south imo...
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:01 am to TerryDawg03
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’ve read good opinion pieces in the past that argue that the sexual revolution and the advent of birth control have largely contributed to the downward turn in society due to the economic hardships alone that come along with having a single parent household. It’s hard to do the rest of the great things in that list when the financial burden is so great.
It's none of that. It's not a rise in immorality. It's not a rise in minorities.
The biggest problems this country and really the world faces has everything to do with people trying to gain and gain with no end in sight. It's a sickness to keep trying to gain all the way until you die. Real satisfaction and peace comes from within and until we learn that we're going to be doing terrible things over and over and over again.
All of this Million Dollar Dream and hopes of material wealth will never bring Enlightenment nor satisfaction. We live in a society where the top 1% cares nothing about the bottom 99% and where most of the 99% want to be the top 1%
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:03 am to Tigerdev
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Science, mathematics, or trade school. Guaranteed upper middle class in the south imo...
Add coding and/or web design.
Also, that's pretty much true of everywhere in America outside of four or five metro areas (NYC, DC, Boston, SF, LA, maybe a few others).
I'd also add that having a solid understanding of personal finance and some understanding of microeconomics (at a very basic level - just a basic understanding of how pricing works and how markets work) are a pretty good skill to ensure that as well.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:07 am to AbuTheMonkey
The liberal arts degree...is dead.
Just dead.
No employer wants to train you.
You might as well have just joined out of high school. It's the antiquated Mad Men degree.
Society used to think, oh Liberal Arts degree...you are a well-rounded, thoughtful, smart individual who can learn anything...welcome aboard.
Now it's, frick you...what skills can you provide...yesterday.
Just dead.
No employer wants to train you.
You might as well have just joined out of high school. It's the antiquated Mad Men degree.
Society used to think, oh Liberal Arts degree...you are a well-rounded, thoughtful, smart individual who can learn anything...welcome aboard.
Now it's, frick you...what skills can you provide...yesterday.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:08 am to Ebbandflow
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It's none of that. It's not a rise in immorality. It's not a rise in minorities.
The biggest problems this country and really the world faces has everything to do with people trying to gain and gain with no end in sight. It's a sickness to keep trying to gain all the way until you die. Real satisfaction and peace comes from within and until we learn that we're going to be doing terrible things over and over and over again.
All of this Million Dollar Dream and hopes of material wealth will never bring Enlightenment nor satisfaction. We live in a society where the top 1% cares nothing about the bottom 99% and where most of the 99% want to be the top 1%
Yea, good luck with that. You're quite literally going against hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution and all of recorded human history in trying to re-program how we operate and thinking like that. That is some pie-in-the-sky college freshman bullshite.
I'd rather deal with the real world than try to boil the ocean.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:10 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The liberal arts degree...is dead.
Just dead.
No employer wants to train you.
You might as well have just joined out of high school. It's the antiquated Mad Men degree.
Society used to think, oh Liberal Arts degree...you are a well-rounded, thoughtful, smart individual who can learn anything...welcome aboard.
Now it's, frick you...what skills can you provide...yesterday.
That's not true for everyone and in every circumstance. I wouldn't be getting a communications degree from Bumfrick State, but there is still economic value to be derived from liberal arts degrees if you know what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:14 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Yea, good luck with that. You're quite literally going against hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution and all of recorded human history
That's what evolution is, dude.
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trying to re-program how we operate and thinking like that. That is some pie-in-the-sky college freshman bullshite.
It's the truth. It's something that's already there. You don't need to program that in. Humanity is a basically a angry 13 year old boy right now. It'll probably be a thousand more years until people start realizing but that's what it's going to take.
It isn't some Impossible Dream. It's reality there is nothing that's ever going to bring you as much satisfaction as enlightenment. You can take none of it with you when you die.
Your cynicism is based on a lie. Just because the lie is most prevalent doesn't mean that it is the truth
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 12:16 am
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:23 am to Ebbandflow
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Yea, good luck with that. You're quite literally going against hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution and all of recorded human history
That's what evolution is, dude.
Your understanding of evolution is lacking. There are virtually zero evolutionary pressures on the species at the moment.
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It's the truth. It's something that's already there. You don't need to program that in. Humanity is a basically a angry 13 year old boy right now. It'll probably be a thousand more years until people start realizing but that's what it's going to take.
It's a truth for some people, not all people, and it's been that way for virtually all of recorded history. Magis, prophets, oracles, preachers, mystics, philosophers, and on and on and on have all sought the same. Yet it always ends up with the power-hungry and ambitious on top.
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It isn't some Impossible Dream. It's reality there is nothing that's ever going to bring you as much satisfaction as enlightenment. You can take none of it with you when you die.
Your cynicism is based on a lie. Just because the lie is most prevalent doesn't mean that it is the truth
Your views belie literally all of human history. Literally all of it. How many utopias have to fail before you people realize that it's a fool's errand? How many thousands or hundreds of millions (in the case of communism) have to go to an early grave because of naivete and foolishness? Five hundred years ago Anabaptists much of your ilk failed and killed thousands in the process. Three hundred years ago it failed in America. One hundred years ago communism failed and killed many millions in the process.
Your idealism is quite certainly based on a lie that has been proven over and over and over again in our history books. Good luck with that.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 12:28 am
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