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re: Appeals court rules Trump can’t use Alien Enemies Act to swiftly deport Venezuelans

Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:58 am to
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:58 am to
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Are we in wartime?


We have tens of millions of illegal invaders either in our country. What do you think?
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2978 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:59 am to
Ok and there are multiple other laws they can use to deport them. So deport them under those laws and keep going until the SCOTUS rules on using that one. They can rule all they want, it doesn't mean it is going to stop.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98274 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:59 am to
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..how?


You said Orange bad would never be able to use the Alien Enemies act

Your TDS is off the charts
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:00 am to
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the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF),

Is Venezuela subject to the AUMF?

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There IS precedent, sprinkled throughout our nation's history, for what Trump is trying to accomplish.

There is not. You're trying to create it by conflating unrelated topics.

Hell, there is barely any precedent in our nation's history for using this particular law. It's been used like 2-3x total, and IIRC, all involved actual wartime.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:00 am to
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You said Orange bad would never be able to use the Alien Enemies act

Did you read the title of this thread?

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Appeals court rules Trump can’t use Alien Enemies Act to swiftly deport Venezuelans


What does "can't" mean?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:01 am to
Ignore the ruling and continue to deport their asses anyway... I would like to see a court enforce their rulings...
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21899 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:07 am to
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SlowFlowPro


Precedent is something that has happened, correct?

There is no "barely"... it either has, or hasn't.

War on Terror shows that "war" doesn't have to be against a sovereign nation.

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The AUMF's expansive wording has been used to justify military operations in numerous countries over two decades.


Also, the Alien Enemies Act definitely applies... some argue in favor, some against- but it is what it is.
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
4618 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:09 am to
Then they will all be sent to your house for detention.........knowing how you love men and all.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:13 am to
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There is no "barely"... it either has, or hasn't.

Sure and I stated why those examples don't apply today (no war time)

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War on Terror shows that "war" doesn't have to be against a sovereign nation.

That authorization doesn't apply to Venezuela, though, so, again, doesn't apply here.

There is no war time. They're using the "invasion" language, which has no precedents or history. That portion of the law has never been relied upon.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:13 am to
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Then they will all be sent to your house for detention.........knowing how you love men and all.


I'm for deportation of illegals. I'm just for doing it legally.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41748 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:21 am to
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Are we in wartime?


Ask the people killed or attacked by the liberal invasion of illegals aliens
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58213 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:22 am to
Not surprised. It was a very aggressive and novel use of that law. I thought the Court would strike this one down.

And that's ok. When you get aggressive and try novel ideas in prosecuting cases, sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't. At least you are trying.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38426 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:25 am to
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I'm for deportation of illegals. I'm just for doing it legally.
You mean since they came here legally and all? sarcasm/
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
15776 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:26 am to
He should ignore this ruling - American safety is above any court. He needs to increase the number and ramp things up. And he needs to start bombing other countries and drug runners like he did yesterday that should be an everyday occurrence all over the world. We should be bombing, China, Mexico, South America daily until they stop trying to kill us.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:27 am to
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Ask the people killed or attacked by the liberal invasion of illegals aliens

so no
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21899 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:30 am to
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That authorization doesn't apply to Venezuela, though, so, again, doesn't apply here.


Actually... from what I googled, many of the applied uses are classified. So, who knows?

Next... the AUMF has been criticized for over two decades as essentially a blank check- with reason... I'm no legal scholar, but the fact that legal scholars find this to be murky ground, well, they know better than I.

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There is no war time. They're using the "invasion" language, which has no precedents or history. That portion of the law has never been relied upon.


Didja think that may very well be a part of the ramped up efforts (like blasting a boat) against the cartels?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:31 am to
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Didja think that may very well be a part of the ramped up efforts (like blasting a boat) against the cartels?


In theory (but not in reality as I showed), that works for wartime, not invasion.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:36 am to
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In theory (but not in reality as I showed), that works for wartime, not invasion.


Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:37 am to
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We should be bombing, China, Mexico, South America daily until they stop trying to kill us.


Who is "they?" What targets?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21899 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:38 am to
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Are we in wartime?


Narco-Terrorism and Islamic Terrorism go hand in hand.

We are still at "War on Terrorism"

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Yes, the "War on Terror" continues in an altered form, even though the major combat operations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq have ended.

The campaign has evolved into ongoing global counterterrorism efforts, including military interventions, intelligence operations, financial disruption, and diplomatic efforts to prevent terrorism worldwide.
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