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re: Appeals Court Rejects Request to Immediately Restore Travel Ban

Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:14 am to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:14 am to
We may need to nuclear option Gorsuch in so we can finally settle this.


How much would the libs melt over that!?!? Using the nuclear option to get a judge in quick enough to make sure we can ban Muslims!!!!!
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:14 am to
After having read that, I think he was trying to state "It's universally accepted by the legal community that the US cannot limit or ban immigration in any way they see fit (i.e. The constitution still acts as a check on immigration limitations)." The wording of that sentence makes it seem he was saying we can't have a limitation on immigration (which is not true).
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48052 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:16 am to
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Actually what it is though is a carte blanche ticket for Trump to aggressively nominate übercons to the judiciary. It's a very poor judicial gambit. Also provides rationale and license to go nuclear with SCOTUS appts. I guess these judicial activists cannot help themselves, but they are poking a hornets nest.

THIS is what I am hoping for - begin flooding the course at all levels with nothing but staunch textualist originalist justices who rely on what the constitution actually SAYs rather than what some wild eyed demigod wishes it says.

Then start going after all the past court decisions based on feel-goodish. Roe-v-Wade being the most glaring example. Thousands of other bullshite decisions need to be wiped out.

FORCE the left wing radicals to go thru the CONGRESS to pass LAWS that they want - and force them to be especially careful to delineate all the specific things they want to enact.

Go nuclear on their asses - because if ever the DEMs regain POTUS/CONGRESS that is exactly what they will do. DEMs have been trying to destroy the congeniality and comity of congress - especially the Senate - for 50 years now. These latest examples of their craziness is proof of their intent.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:17 am to
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if the leftists are sincere that the government cannot do this job, then there is really no reason to have government
Finally!!! Something we can agree with the left on.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135588 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:17 am to
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We may need to nuclear option Gorsuch in so we can finally settle this.


How much would the libs melt over that!?!?
If it is driven that way, Dems are incredibly short-sighted.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:20 am to
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Dems are incredibly short-sighted.


Not really.

The Dems today know they can change the narrative when they choose due to the MSM being in their back pocket.

Doesn't matter if they did all this, they will gleefully lie and the MSM will run with it, while tens of millions of Hugos, Awants, BamaATls gladly tell their fellow Americans they are morons.....while other members of their ilk start violently attacking whoever they feel like.

They are truly evil geniuses.
Posted by Morgus
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Member since May 2004
9791 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:24 am to
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What logical person would say that a country has no right to limit or ban immigration for any reason?



Logic of this kind doesn't matter. We are awash in ignorance. The number of Americans who have replaced actual American history with their fantastical version of how they want things to be have never been higher. Their America existed only in their heads. It's the one that has no say over who does and doesn't enter it's borders. It's the one in which the very notion of borders becomes unconstitutional.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:25 am to
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After having read that, I think he was trying to state "It's universally accepted by the legal community that the US cannot limit or ban immigration in any way they see fit (i.e. The constitution still acts as a check on immigration limitations)." The wording of that sentence makes it seem he was saying we can't have a limitation on immigration (which is not true).


Yep. I used "any" because I was responding with the same phrasing as the person I was quoting. That's also why I put asterisks around the world. I'll edit the post since it seems to be causing confusion.
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:25 am to
No tweets yet this morning? Looking forward to reading what Trump tweets about this court.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48052 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:26 am to
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Conway, tried to float the "massacre" story to her base but was caught

I know you don't believe that - she obviously misspoke and I am disappointed she didn't recognize it as soon as it escaped her lips. It is conceivable that the relied on some sketchy briefing material.

But to suggest that she intentionally floated such an obvious untruth is really unsupportable. She is smarter than that. It is the same as if people really thought Obama didn't know there were 57 states. We can make fun of that gaff because he should have immediately corrected himself but nobody thinks he

was just ignorant of the facts or trying to 'misinform' someone.

But you know all this - you should try to uphold your reputation as a serious commentator from the left. You are one of the few who appear here worth reading. Don't squander that.

eta - I will join you in making fun of her for the gaff.
This post was edited on 2/5/17 at 8:30 am
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26138 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:28 am to
Will be interesting if the 9th Circus goes directly against their 2012 precedent with Arizona


There is a reason the 9th Circus is the most overturned appellate court
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:28 am to
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Foreign countries don't have US laws...


This is US law;

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Regarding the scope of this power, as the Supreme Court held in its 1982 case United States v. Valenzuela-Bernal, “The power to regulate immigration—an attribute of sovereignty essential to the preservation of any nation—has been entrusted by the Constitution to the political branches of the Federal Government.” The Court then quoted a 1976 case, which acknowledged, “The Court without exception has sustained Congress’ plenary power to make rules for the admission of aliens.”
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74165 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:32 am to
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court ruling “second-guesses the president’s national security judgment.”


This is how we don't stop the zombie apocalypse. Judges who think they know more than those hired to protect us.

What intel does the judge have that we and those in charge don't?
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:34 am to
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Today in history: 1917 Congress passed the Immigration Act, which restricted Asian immigration, over President Wilson's veto.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133596 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:34 am to
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I don't think
That is obvious.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:35 am to
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“The Court without exception has sustained Congress’ plenary power to make rules for the admission of aliens.”


An executive order is not an act of Congress. So it's not relevant to the situation we are in now.

If, theoretically, Congress passes a law that is the same or similar to this one and it is challenged, this case law would be relevant.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:38 am to
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If, theoretically, Congress passes a law that is the same or similar to this one and it is challenged, this case law would be relevant.


The laws already exist and I just cited it.
Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
23901 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:38 am to
More like biased, politicized, activist filth taking their marching orders from the DNC and ACLU.
Posted by Tigereye10005
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:43 am to
The law from the case you cited is referring to congressional power, not executive orders from the President.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78075 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 8:44 am to

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The ruling meant that refugees and travelers from seven predominantly Muslim nations — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — who were barred by an executive order signed by the president on Jan. 27 would, for now, continue to be able to enter the country.


Does this actually extend admission beyond those who already hold visas? How can refugees just enter the country because of this order, but it was an option for them to enter when Obama was president? I suspect this is a poorly written article.
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