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re: Apparently railroaders aren't included in the no tax on overtime!
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:33 pm to CENLALSUFAN
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:33 pm to CENLALSUFAN
Our overtime is screwed up anyways. I get paid by the trip and overtime on a daily base. Montgomery to Mobile pays 182 miles, overtime starts at 11 hours 31 minutes. Meaning, i can work 6 days at 11.5 hours each and earn no OT pay.
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:34 pm to BuckI
I was an engineer on the railroad for 36+ years, many do not know the hard life it was back in the day.
The reason you have Unions today is because the railroad had to have 1 brakeman for every five cars in a train. The engineer would signal to put the brakes on or release them. That brakeman had to run on top of the railroad cars tying hand brakes on or off. Many, not a few were killed, the railroad did not stop back then to pick up the hurt or dead person. In fact, the railroad would tell the family the body is around x mile post, and they needed to get the body off company property.
Also back then you tell now long a person worked at the railroad by the number of missing fingers.
That is why you got the BLE Union, to address many bad issues on the railroad.
I am not a fan of Unions but just think if the BLE Union never came along what companies could do by past practices.
The reason you have Unions today is because the railroad had to have 1 brakeman for every five cars in a train. The engineer would signal to put the brakes on or release them. That brakeman had to run on top of the railroad cars tying hand brakes on or off. Many, not a few were killed, the railroad did not stop back then to pick up the hurt or dead person. In fact, the railroad would tell the family the body is around x mile post, and they needed to get the body off company property.
Also back then you tell now long a person worked at the railroad by the number of missing fingers.
That is why you got the BLE Union, to address many bad issues on the railroad.
I am not a fan of Unions but just think if the BLE Union never came along what companies could do by past practices.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:41 pm to CENLALSUFAN
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Apparently railroaders aren't included in the no tax on overtime!
Cry me a fricking river.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:43 pm to tigeraddict
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Railraod workers do not have to pay SS
Wrong.
They pay both but can only draw so much and usually RR Retirement is more than SS but they pay SS taxes along with RR retirement.
Years ago, they could draw both and technically still can but the combined amount cannot excede which ever one amounts to the most.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:48 pm to 1loyalbamafan
The Railroad Retirement program has a two-tier structure:
Tier I benefits are equivalent to Social Security and calculated similarly.
Tier II acts like a private pension, based solely on railroad service, and provides benefits beyond Tier I.
Tier I benefits are equivalent to Social Security and calculated similarly.
Tier II acts like a private pension, based solely on railroad service, and provides benefits beyond Tier I.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:52 pm to LSU Patrick
Don't have to cry you a river, as most railroads today pay basic day pay, which means no overtime. You get x amount of money and can work up to 12 hours.
A few railroads pay a basic day based on 10 hours and can get 2 hours overtime.
Very few railroads pay the old yard rate of 8 hours a day, with up to 4 hours overtime. Those are switch engine jobs, building trains daily.
Railroads now classified all jobs for the most part as road jobs, meaning the first two rates above are paid.
Railroad crews were five men at one time, then 3 by 1987, now your looking at almost 75% of the jobs as a 2 man crew.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:53 pm to RD Dawg
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They've been gaming the system for decades. Got a lot of sweetheart exemptions ages ago and kept them.
They also get Medicare before the age where everyone else does…
Cadillac healthcare plans for all
Posted on 6/30/25 at 1:58 pm to tigger1
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Today you hire on the railroad you will make about 600 a day, working 5 days a week.
You still have no personal life to speak of, because once you count in driving time, time to tie up your looking at 13 hours a day.
Now think about working 13 hours a day back in the 1990's, seven days a week.
The engine had no a/c, no fan, very little heat in the cold.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:21 pm to RD Dawg
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They've been gaming the system for decades.
bullshite. The workers haven't. I worked for UP for 42 years and don't ever remember gaming the system. For every dollar you pay into SS I paid a dollar fifty into the RRT fund.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:36 pm to Homesick Tiger
Yeah these idiots are talking out their arse like usual. They know nothing about how the railroads operate. The pay and pension is good but you earn it.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:38 pm to CENLALSUFAN
What wrong? One of the most overpaid industries in the nation that nearly bankrupted itself over prime retirement pensions
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:55 pm to Rip Torn
The Railroad Retirement system is solvent for a long way out. I don't think you know what you are talking about. Railroads are making record profits every year, they aren't going bankrupt either.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 2:59 pm to CENLALSUFAN
I just want to ask... why is everyone so negative toward the people who work on the railroad? Honestly. Y’all act like we, the regular workers, have anything to do with what you're mad about.
I applied for a job trying to better my life and take care of my family 23 years ago..i didn't know what all it included with contact agreements and how we got raises.. All i knew was that it paid better than my last job and had better benefits.. And now, all I’m doing now is asking to have the same shot at fair treatment as everyone else who puts in overtime. I’m not asking for special treatment... just not to be left out.
I applied for a job trying to better my life and take care of my family 23 years ago..i didn't know what all it included with contact agreements and how we got raises.. All i knew was that it paid better than my last job and had better benefits.. And now, all I’m doing now is asking to have the same shot at fair treatment as everyone else who puts in overtime. I’m not asking for special treatment... just not to be left out.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 3:12 pm to Barstools
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puts into higher tax bracket
Key word "bracket".
Fed income tax is
10% 0-$11925
12% $11926 - $48475
20% $48476 - $103350
Etc etc
Your taxed at that percent on income within those brackets.
If you make $50,000 taxable you pay 20% only on $1525 of your income.
I'm really surprised people don't understand this shite.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 3:53 pm to CENLALSUFAN
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I just want to ask... why is everyone so negative toward the people who work on the railroad?
I’m an offshore baw, and I’m sure there’s a lot of plant baws on this board. I’m sure folks get mad at us when I do zero physical work offshore and make 200k while gas is $3 a gallon. Don’t take it personally my man.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 3:54 pm to tigger1
Since you are no fan of unions you will enjoy some of these stories about the railroad unions:
- the position of Locomotive Fireman was set up to shovel coal into the furnace of a steam locomotive. This position still existed 30 years after diesel engines replaced steam locomotives,….why? Because the Unions blocked companies from eliminating the position through administrative maneuvering. It was not until an arbitrator forced the union to allow the company to eliminate this job (that did nothing) before it was phased out.
- an archaic part of the labor agreement for the railroads required that employees on a train be paid a day’s wages for every 100 miles a train traveled. Even when technological improvements allowed the trains to travel far more than a 100 miles in a day the unions refused to change this language. As a result the train companies would shut down a train after it traveled 100 miles.
These are the type of things unions do that cause an industry like railroads to be inefficient and non competitive with other shipping options. The companys are not lily white, but it is ridiculous to think the poor union railroad employees are being treated badly.
- the position of Locomotive Fireman was set up to shovel coal into the furnace of a steam locomotive. This position still existed 30 years after diesel engines replaced steam locomotives,….why? Because the Unions blocked companies from eliminating the position through administrative maneuvering. It was not until an arbitrator forced the union to allow the company to eliminate this job (that did nothing) before it was phased out.
- an archaic part of the labor agreement for the railroads required that employees on a train be paid a day’s wages for every 100 miles a train traveled. Even when technological improvements allowed the trains to travel far more than a 100 miles in a day the unions refused to change this language. As a result the train companies would shut down a train after it traveled 100 miles.
These are the type of things unions do that cause an industry like railroads to be inefficient and non competitive with other shipping options. The companys are not lily white, but it is ridiculous to think the poor union railroad employees are being treated badly.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 4:06 pm to DiamondDog
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Congrats on everyone except union members now being salary. Enjoy!
There are requirements to be salaried. There are benefits to being salaried, too.
Also, why would a company currently paying overtime switch to salary just because their employees are now getting tax-exempt overtime? It doesn't cost the company anything, so the only reason would be if the company hated its employees and wanted to screw them over.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 4:54 pm to FlyDownTheField83
FlyDownTheField83
Before the 1980's railroad crews worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.
That fireman ran the engine 8 hours a day.
Once it an agreement was made between the Union and the railroad the position was cut.
Now remember an agreement to crew size dates to way before 1980.
The last steams ran into the late 1960's and on a very few old lines into the early 1970's.
The flagman is the next position cut in the 1980's. Cutting the crew down to 3.
Then the railroads cut down to 2 in the 1990's.
Trains mileage come into play by national agreements. Many railroads even dating into the 1980's did not have mileage agreements.
The 100-mile limit is due in large part at the time due do what are called train orders. At the start of the shift the train crews had to check their watches and had to be with 30 second of the station clock. The train is giver orders; your train had to be in the siding or on the main at x station before x time. If you could make the next meeting point before x time you moved the train to the next meeting point.
Sounds good on paper, but I worked one day at the place on why trains orders were done away with. A work gang watch was 1 minute slow on time, the working gang ast. foremen ask the foreman to move the gang to the siding 5 minutes before the met, the Foreman said no and worked them until 2 minutes until the meet. The crew moved north of the switch to line in for the siding to clear up. It is at the point the train rounds the curve and hit the work crew killing many. The trains watch was one minute fast.
My foreman knew the crewmen killed and the foreman.
That is why you had a 100-mile limit back in the day, the train meet had to be sit up in advance, the loop you see in movies is to give trains new work orders. Many railroads did not have a mileage limit only district limits.
Before the 1980's railroad crews worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.
That fireman ran the engine 8 hours a day.
Once it an agreement was made between the Union and the railroad the position was cut.
Now remember an agreement to crew size dates to way before 1980.
The last steams ran into the late 1960's and on a very few old lines into the early 1970's.
The flagman is the next position cut in the 1980's. Cutting the crew down to 3.
Then the railroads cut down to 2 in the 1990's.
Trains mileage come into play by national agreements. Many railroads even dating into the 1980's did not have mileage agreements.
The 100-mile limit is due in large part at the time due do what are called train orders. At the start of the shift the train crews had to check their watches and had to be with 30 second of the station clock. The train is giver orders; your train had to be in the siding or on the main at x station before x time. If you could make the next meeting point before x time you moved the train to the next meeting point.
Sounds good on paper, but I worked one day at the place on why trains orders were done away with. A work gang watch was 1 minute slow on time, the working gang ast. foremen ask the foreman to move the gang to the siding 5 minutes before the met, the Foreman said no and worked them until 2 minutes until the meet. The crew moved north of the switch to line in for the siding to clear up. It is at the point the train rounds the curve and hit the work crew killing many. The trains watch was one minute fast.
My foreman knew the crewmen killed and the foreman.
That is why you had a 100-mile limit back in the day, the train meet had to be sit up in advance, the loop you see in movies is to give trains new work orders. Many railroads did not have a mileage limit only district limits.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:01 pm to Privateer 2007
Brother, I'm a CPA, I understand the tax system. If those OT hours would put then in the next bracket, then that money would be taxed at a higher rate. Unless there is no tax on OT.
You said "people think they get taxed more on OT". I simply pointed out a scenario where that could be true.
I'm really surprised you feel like you're the only one that knows how taxes work.
You said "people think they get taxed more on OT". I simply pointed out a scenario where that could be true.
I'm really surprised you feel like you're the only one that knows how taxes work.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:11 pm to Cool Hand Luke
Were you not alive under the Biden bailout? If so, why are you typing on a political forum?
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