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re: AP reporting Iran has shot down US drone
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:45 am to tigerpawl
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:45 am to tigerpawl
Here is my theory on what Iran is trying to accomplish with this. Their thinking is that if they can draw the U.S. into a war that is not popular with Americans Trump will lose the election in 2020 and then they can either get the Democrat sucker that replaces Trump to either go back into their nuclear agreement with them or renegotiate and get and even better deal since they would probably think they could out and out fleece us if Democrats had power in the White House.
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:45 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Victory 107 you are red and free on your contact....... 
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:49 am to Gus007
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Didn't Russia invade our air space recently?
No, they were in international waters.
Intercepts with the Russians still happen weekly off the coast of AK. When I was stationed there they kept an intercept board on the BX listing how many Russian planes had been intercepted by each squadron.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:53 am to 88Wildcat
quote:I think you're underestimating how many Americans want to bitch-slap Iran.
Their thinking is that if they can draw the U.S. into a war that is not popular with Americans Trump will lose the election in 2020 and then they can either get the Democrat sucker that replaces Trum...
I remember this vividly and thought Jimma Cahwta was a total wimp:
Still stuck in my craw.
ETA: The hostages were released (literally) while RR had his hand on the bible on 20 JAN, 1981. No coincidence. Peace through strength.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:10 am to tigerpawl
Maybe they thought it was an attacking F-14. If that's the case completely forgivable.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:31 am to TopFlightSecurity
quote:ouch
Maybe they thought it was an attacking F-14. If that's the case completely forgivable.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:35 am to choupiquesushi
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Maybe they thought it was an attacking F-14. If that's the case completely forgivable.
ouch
What? That's fair isn't it.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:45 am to Centinel
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What does this statement have to do with the fact the drone was shot down in international airspace and Iran is lying about it to garner support?
What makes you sure any of that is accurate
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:45 am to BigJake
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After the las 16-18 years of conflicts in the Middle East. The quagmire in Afghanistan, results of Iraq, Libya, Syria and general failures at the expense of trillions I’m truly amazed that any Americans are beating the drums of war with Iran. Some folks just never learn.
Well, despite the fact that the righties like to push that lefties are just pure lemmings, the right is made up of just as many morons when it comes to war and the Middle East. They are literally blinded by their stupidity and will buy anything goin like and sinker.
War to them is a game and they think the US can just blast countries into the stone age without any issues.
Plus the oil base want more money. They get paid more if oil prices go up and no ether way to do that then kill a bunch of innocent people in the Middle East over freaking drones.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:47 am to cave canem
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What makes you sure any of that is accurate
Because I know the difference between a large, slow high-altitude long range surveillance drone designed specifically for operation in international airspace and a small, stealthy drone used for clandestine surveillance inside a nation's airspace?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:48 am to tigerpawl
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how many Americans want to bitch-slap Iran.
I remember this vividly and thought Jimma Cahwta was a total wimp:
no hostage died right? All were returned safely without being tortured, even though 3 of the ~50 of the hostages were CIA posing as Embassy workers (internationally illegal). Anything else to get mad at?
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:51 am to Centinel
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Because I know the difference between a large, slow high-altitude long range surveillance drone designed specifically for operation in international airspace and a small, stealthy drone used for clandestine surveillance inside a nation's airspace?
You dont know anything at this point other than Iran may or may not have shot down a US drone that may or may not have been in international airspace.
Both sides have been caught lying so many times no one should buy either story at face value.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:52 am to Kujo
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no hostage died right? All were returned safely without being tortured, even though ~50 of the hostages were CIA posing as Embassy workers (internationally illegal).
They were released because they knew Reagan would wreck their shite.
Hostages released - 20 January 1981
Reagan sworn in - 20 January 1981
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:53 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Revolutionary Guard shoots down US drone
Is the pilot OK?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:53 am to cave canem
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US drone that may or may not have been in international airspace.
Another one who is either willfully obtuse, or fricking stupid.
Let me paint it in crayon for you:
A MQ4C drone is not designed for operation in hostile airspace. Period. We have other drones for that.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:54 am to cave canem
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Both sides have been caught lying so many times no one should buy either story at face value
this
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:55 am to I B Freeman
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They lost over one million in Iraq Iran war. Wouldn’t be easy.
Damn you are completely clueless.
It doesn’t matter if they have 10 million. They have no air cover. You take out their surface to air defenses and radar with tomahawks, establish air superiority ( which would take a week tops) and the country becomes a shooting gallery for A-10s, Apaches, and Bombers loaded with Sensor Fused Weapons. You could put 5000 marines on the ground sitting in chairs and eating soft serve ice cream and win in a ground offensive
If they planned to establish a ground offensive like Iraq-Iran, they would fail devastatingly.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:56 am to sta4ever
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Getting chippy over there
When were things ever not chippy over there?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:58 am to CleverUserName
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You could put 5000 marines on the ground sitting in chairs and eating soft serve ice cream and win in a ground offensive
But you'd never be able to hold it. Iran is a vast mountainous nation with a huge population. 5000 troops wouldn't even be enough to keep Tehran pacified let alone keep the whole country from "insurgency"-ing all over the place.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:59 am to CleverUserName
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establish air superiority ( which would take a week tops)
Would take a couple of days.
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