re: AOC and Bernie Blame U.S. For Ukraine Invasion. Demand That NATO Be Scrapped

Hey dude, your link is FAKE fricking NEWS, The headline is a complete lie.

DSA released a statement saying your OP headline and also said the invasion was an illegal act.

Get your facts straight and you little puppets read a little before responding... you look like complete idiots.

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Get your facts straight and you little puppets read a little before responding... you look like complete idiots.

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You sound mad. Here's a link from Sanders on affixing blame on the US and NATO

Now run along little fella

LINK

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I actually would like to see the anti-war anti-imperialist wing of the Dems speak up right about now.

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For entertainment if nothing else

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Nothing, they said nothing what the OP claims, it was a DSA statement release. Look it up. I ain't doing homework for the lazy.

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Link? Take your time. The OP provided a link. You not only did not, your statement rings as complete bullshite, sans support.

Read HIS(OP) link yourself, you are supposedly very well educated, so read it.

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It's not clear if Ocasio-Cortez or Sanders support the DSA's call to overhaul the global security order by withdrawing the US from NATO, but both progressives have appeared wary of too much involvement in the conflict.

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From OP link. Read and comprehend.

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while bernie's(communist) speech mentions US and NATO, he didn't say what your OP claims, so little fella try again.

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I know it is not very popular in Washington to consider the perspectives of our adversaries, but I think it is important in formulating good policy.

I think it is helpful to consider this: One of the precipitating factors of this crisis, at least from Russia’s perspective, is the prospect of an enhanced security relationship between Ukraine and the United States and Western Europe, including what Russia sees as the threat of Ukraine joining the North Atlantic Treaty Alliance (NATO), a military alliance originally created in 1949 to confront the Soviet Union.

It is good to know some history. When Ukraine became independent after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Russian leaders made clear their concerns about the prospect of former Soviet states becoming part of NATO and positioning hostile military forces along Russia’s border. U.S. officials recognized these concerns as legitimate at the time.

One of those officials was William Perry, who served as Defense Secretary under President Bill Clinton. In a 2017 interview, Perry said and I quote, “In the last few years, most of the blame can be pointed at the actions that Putin has taken. But in the early years I have to say that the United States deserves much of the blame… “Our first action that really set us off in a bad direction was when NATO started to expand, bringing in eastern European nations, some of them bordering Russia.”

Another U.S. official who acknowledged these concerns is former U.S. diplomat Bill Burns, who is now head of the CIA in the Biden administration. In his memoir, Burns quotes a memo he wrote while serving as counselor for political affairs at the US embassy in Moscow in 1995, and I quote: “Hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.”

Over ten years later, in 2008, Burns wrote in a memo to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and I quote “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin)… In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players… I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”

So again: these concerns were not just invented out of thin air by Putin.

Clearly, invasion by Russia is not an answer; neither is intransigence by NATO. It is important to recognize, for example, that Finland, one of the most developed and democratic countries in the world, borders Russia and has chosen not to be a member of NATO. Sweden and Austria are other examples of extremely prosperous and democratic countries that have made the same choice.

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Read HIS(OP) link yourself, you are supposedly very well educated, so read it.

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His OP link not only does not debunk itself, I agree with the premise its players supposedly espouse.

What are your sources?

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Read HIS(OP) link yourself, you are supposedly very well educated, so read it.

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It's not clear if Ocasio-Cortez or Sanders support the DSA's call to overhaul the global security order by withdrawing the US from NATO, but both progressives have appeared wary of too much involvement in the conflict.


From OP link. Read and comprehend.

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Hey! Nitwit!
Read and comprehend.

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They are right.

US withdrawal from NATO maybe an overstep, but NATO expansion is not necessary.

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Your OP is still a LIE.

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I just gave you link and direct quote from Sander's official site