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re: Anyone questioning the history they were taught in school?

Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:34 am to
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:34 am to
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There used to be a 4000 page thread around here with over 100,000 posts that taught us to question everything and even pointed us where to look for the right answers.

And turned legions of people into morons who think that "the good guys" would A) announce 'the plan' to the world ahead of time and B) deliver said information via cryptic anonymous internet posts.

it's called The Barnum Effect. It's the same thing grifters like John Edward have used to captivate simpletons for ages.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:36 am to
I was taught that Molly Pitcher was a real person.

I was taught that in WWII they collected frying pans to make bombs.

When TVs first became widely available I was taught that sitting right in front of them gave you brain cancer.

I was taught that Joe McCarthy's claim of commies in American govt was a lie.

Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:41 am to
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You’re just confused about what we actually stood and stand for.


If victory in WWII was intended to allow for the moral decay of the populace, the destruction of the nuclear family, the promotion of the vile and degenerate at all costs, and the normalization of perversion, then yes, we won the frick out of WWII.

Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:45 am to
Know your role around here sport.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:46 am to
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Anyone questioning the history they were taught in school?


Only EVERY. SINGLE. BIT of IT.

Further to your point; If modern-day American "educators" don't even consider "History" a worthy enough subject, shouldn't this educational omission alone make our case that a particular agenda has always been in place?

"Historians" and "Fact-Checkers" can (and have) lie straight to our faces in REAL TIME, it's a given all past narratives of "History" are also lies and fabrications to great extent. (For agendas both known & unknown.)

FORENSIC RE-EXAMINATION IS REQUIRED FOR:

* Every pre-war era narrative, war, and post-war era narrative.

* Every supposed past "Timeline" and "Measurement of Time"

* Every past claim of "invention"

* Every past "known discovery"

Absolute WORST era of "mis-story": 1840s-1920s (when accounts of "history" was sloppy at best and could actually be challenged via archived photographs and documents)

At NO TIME has the "History" we've been fed to be hardwired into our consciousness by schools and other academic "authorities and institutions" NOT been a controlled, contrived, manipulated, hidden, and falsified account.
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:46 am to
They told me the civil war was about slavery.

Complete bullshite
Posted by Liberator
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Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:50 am to
Nice link...

quote:

"...some of the biggest battles ever fought, has been reduced to an incoherent tale of conquistadors and Indians."


And "primitive civilizations" in th Americas all living in tee-pees, grass huts, and caves.

OH WAIT.

Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:55 am to
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Wish i still had mine....


They're all over ebay
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:02 am to
Well you have to take into account the context.

My middle school American History teacher had us read a section of the textbook and answer several questions on it each day. He was a good guy and I think he meant well but he could have made it more interesting. I never saw him stand up.
Middle school Louisiana History teacher just taught us about the geography of Louisiana and never ever mentioned the juicy stuff like Huey Long. We had to make Mardi Gras floats out of shoe boxes, missed potential.
Civics class was taught by a lawyer, had a winner here, excellent class.
High school American History class teacher taught us by writing his notes off the chalkboard where we had to fill in the blanks. He meant well but more missed potential for a better class.

I learned more about history by reading on different topics on my own, especially biographies. Even biographers argue among themselves on who was correct.
I have a minor in history and currently reading a book on the causes of WW1.

To get closer to the Truth one must read on the topic by several different authors.
Posted by Liberator
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Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:09 am to
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If victory in WWII was intended to allow for the moral decay of the populace, the destruction of the nuclear family, the promotion of the vile and degenerate at all costs, and the normalization of perversion, then yes, we won the frick out of WWII.


*Applause*

And just because 50-70 MILLION people happened to perish during the WW2 era -- along with WW1's 20-40 MILLION...

And just because War financing was readily available to both sides in both cases...

And just because centuries old historical Olde World records, buildings and infrastructure were forever destroyed & demolished during the those short 30-odd years...it didn't mean both wars were in any way shape or form planned.

It's only a coincidence that what WW1 and WW2 accomplished might be exactly what a cabal of Elites MIGHT desire for an agenda -- if one were a cynic (Massive Population-Control / Eugenics / Wealth Transfer-Enslavement / Unveiling "Hidden" WMD). technologies.)
Posted by NewbombII
Member since Nov 2014
5529 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:10 am to
Victors write the history.

The American Civil War example.
The war as about slavery.
Secession was not legal.
*We seceded from England and Texas seceded from Mexico.

***Major point Secession was taught as a legal possibility at the US Military Academy textbook that the Generals that wound up facing each other on the field studied when they attended,
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6453 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:12 am to
No. I read books on my own now. History in school isn't supposed to be comprehensive. You start to figure this out in college when subjects you spent a week on are broken into semester long courses.
Posted by NewbombII
Member since Nov 2014
5529 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:15 am to
Furthermore West Virginia was admitted as a slave state during a time of war that was supposedly about stopping slavery. This admission was in violation of the US Constitution. If the states had no right to leave than you cannot carve out a state out of an existing state without the consent of the state.
Article IV Section 3

If states leaving had no right to leave why did they have to reapply to reenter the Union?
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 10:19 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69329 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:16 am to
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And turned legions of people into morons who think that "the good guys" would A) announce 'the plan' to the world ahead of time and B) deliver said information via cryptic anonymous internet posts. it's called The Barnum Effect. It's the same thing grifters like John Edward have used to captivate simpletons for ages.


Q was the least interesting part of the Q thread.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:16 am to
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quote:

Anyone questioning the history they were taught in school?

"No bc I like reading the truth"


I think your context may have been misinterpreted.

I assume this is the proper interpretation?

School: NOT real "History"
YOU: Finding truth ELSEWHERE
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:17 am to
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'History is written by those who have hanged heroes.'


History up until 100 years ago was written by the few people that even knew how to read and write in the first place let alone be the winners.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9396 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:23 am to
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Nice link...

quote:
"...some of the biggest battles ever fought, has been reduced to an incoherent tale of conquistadors and Indians."



And "primitive civilizations" in th Americas all living in tee-pees, grass huts, and caves.

OH WAIT.


Most of them were. Native Americans had not discovered the wheel and most were hunter/gatherers or did basic subsistence farming. You absolutely had exceptions like the Cherokee and of course the more developed Natives like the Incas and Aztecs and Mayans. Few things were written down though as most of the NA's didn't have any type of writing so most was lost, especially when the folks that defeated them had little interest in preserving any of their history. Still we have enough evidence from archaeology and passed down accounts to have a decent understanding.

All history is flawed and if you want to understand it you have to look at all sides as much as possible. Humans all have flaws as well and most people that are evil actually think they are doing good, it's rarely completely black and white but most History books and profs try to make it so. It's so tempting just to emphasize the positives of those you personally like and the negatives of those you don't in order to tell history from your perspective, that doesn't even account for omission or fabrication of history.

I never really understood how this was done until I was in college and taking a History class where the Prof said that Reagan had almost nothing to do with the end of the Cold War. I lived in Europe in the '80s and saw what happened and how Reagan's policies completely changed everything first hand and yet this Prof just a couple years after the Wall fell is talking about how it had nothing to do with Reagan or his policies. He got very upset when I confronted him and he talked down to me like I had no idea what I was talking about. It really opened my eyes.

You can pick virtually any period of time and find how it has been manipulated. Of course to many here the Civil War will always be close to home as a topic. It always amazed me how Manifest Destiny is never brought up as a reason for the War when clearly in that age of Western Empires there was no way the North/Union was going to allow half the country to just leave. No, it was about slavery and "Preserving the Union to protect freedom" when those states that seceded voted by 2/3rds majority to leave. Oh, and make no mistake slavery mattered. There were some really terrible humans in the Confederacy that were horrific racists by any measure. Of course there were also Northerners that felt the same but that is never talked about. If you don't have slavery as the cause the reasons for

Lincoln's actions are very dark and the claim that the North "fought to free the slaves" is ridiculous with any objective reasoning. Were there abolitionists in the North? Absolutely. Did a lot of people want to end slavery? Sure. That sure as hell isn't why they went to war though, especially if you look at any historical context of the time.

To me the sad thing is people don't actually know about parts of history that REALLY changed the world. For instance how many people even know what the Battle of Tours was? Certainly if Charles Martel loses the Battle of Tours it is likely that Europe becomes a Muslim Caliphate, there was nothing really to stop it. So much of history is different in that case. I didn't even hear about the Battle of Tours until I was in College studying Middle Age History and it was a sidenote that said it was "One of the few battles in history that truly mattered" and then even in that book it skipped by it.

You just can't trust any one history book or accounting, you have to dig and always be a skeptic. Sorry for the ridiculously long post.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:30 am to
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History up until 100 years ago was written by the few people that even knew how to read and write in the first place let alone be the winners.


Is the above "hillbilly" illiterate precept proven? Perhaps maybe true provincially.

Could it be that this notion of presumed illiteracy was based on the large influx of millions of immigrants to a brand new nation (between 1860s-1920s)?

There was NO BETTER TIMING than at that time to create a new "History". AND "THEY" DID.



Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4326 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:33 am to
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Was Patton righ


I absolutely love how y'all are all like "We're not the racists! It's those SAD dems that are the real racists!!!!" while simultaneously suggesting that we should have fought WW2 on the side of the holocaust perpetrators and that the Civil War was about "States Rights" and not States Rights to enslave black people.


It's beautiful.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 10:33 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69329 posts
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:33 am to
What if I told you that the Americas were a major player in world affairs during the bronze age? What if I told you that the Smithsonian has actively repressed and destroyed evidence of old world contact with the new world prior to 1492? Egyptian pharaohs had chocolate, tobacco, boomerangs, and coffee in their tombs. Inca, California native tribes, and Polynesians share some of the same words, foods, and boat construction techniques. Carthage and Rome had far larger sea-going ships than did Columbus. The Americas are absolutely littered with ruins of advanced civilizations that completely defy the historical narrative.

According to the Smithsonian, there was only one civilization in the Americas that learned to smelt bronze, and that was the Inca who had discovered it only recently when the Spanish arrived.
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