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Anyone familiar with the various bailout legislation re: OSHA?

Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Tiger4Liberty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:51 pm
Has anyone seen whether there is relief from the current OSHA guidance that makes contracting COVID-19 at work an actionable claim?

It's easy to say "let's get back to work", but what do we employers do about requiring workers to show up and subjecting ourselves to the inevitable trial lawyer parade to follow?
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30043 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:53 pm to
another frickin liberal troll wanting this to last for 5 more years

its the same fricking rules you were under for telling people with colds and flu to stay home if they are sick
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:54 pm to
Have not heard any relief or alteration to recordability
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:56 pm to
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another frickin liberal troll wanting this to last for 5 more years

its the same fricking rules you were under for telling people with colds and flu to stay home if they are sick


Are you saying that someone getting the flu at work counts as recordable incident?
Posted by OnTheGeaux
Har Tavor
Member since Oct 2009
3067 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:56 pm to
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COVID-19 can be a recordable illness if a worker is infected as a result of performing their work-related duties. However, employers are only responsible for recording cases of COVID-19 if all of the following are met:

- The case is a confirmed case of COVID-19 (see CDC information on persons under investigation and presumptive positive and laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19);

- The case is work-related, as defined by 29 CFR 1904.5; and

- The case involves one or more of the general recording criteria set forth in 29 CFR 1904.7 (e.g. medical treatment beyond first-aid, days away from work).


https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/standards.html

ETA: Don't see any easing of recording criteria from bailout proposals. Although OSHA probably wouldn't list anything official until legislation is passed. Would probably have to look at the various proposed Bills.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 2:02 pm
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:59 pm to
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another frickin liberal troll wanting this to last for 5 more years

That’s not at all what he was asking. The current governance put out by osha states if you contract the illness from someone at work, it’s a recordable illness. Cold/flu is excluded under normal osha regs. That’s why this is stupid.

I’ve been dealing with this for the last two weeks.
Posted by BehindU
Lake Charles
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:02 pm to
I'm in the safety field as well and this a major concern.
Posted by Tiger4Liberty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
2423 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:03 pm to
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another frickin liberal troll


Fukc you and your clown act pal. Certainly not a liberal, asshat. I don't even want this bailout at all. You obviously didn't read my question.

I'm not asking about asking them to stay home. I'm asking them to come to work or laying them off. However, current OSHA guidance says that if they get sick (and possibly die, as I do have some employees that fit into an at-risk category) while at work, it is an actionable OSHA claim. That isn't the same as the flu or a cold.

So if you don't have anything to add or don't know the answer, shut your hole and let the adults talk.

Keep the money, let us go back to work, and pass something useful like protections for small businesses from trial lawyer vultures.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51807 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:05 pm to
This is just stupid
Posted by OnTheGeaux
Har Tavor
Member since Oct 2009
3067 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:05 pm to
Same.

It's gonna crush the Workers Comp Insurance system.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80272 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:05 pm to
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protections for small businesses from trial lawyer vultures


Would it not just be a workers comp claim?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80272 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:08 pm to
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It's gonna crush the Workers Comp Insurance system.


Deaths in Louisiana are a flat $75,000 payout.

Most folks will be sick and receive minimal medical treatment on the comp schedule. More will be hospitalized on the comp schedule. I know of no long-lasting effects of the disease once you’re over it, so no real SEB claim.

Where is the big $ danger in it for insurance companies? Sheer volume of cases? They’ll just fight compensability and make you prove you got it at work which will be hard to do.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Monday
Prairieville
Member since Mar 2013
5005 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:09 pm to
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Are you saying that someone getting the flu at work counts as recordable incident?

As I and a few others have discussed, I think you would be hard-pressed to prove that an employee contracted it from your job site in a court of law. I personally see it as a scare tactic to prevent employers from exposing their employees unnecessarily.
Posted by Tiger4Liberty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
2423 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:09 pm to
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Would it not just be a workers comp claim?


Perhaps, but that's not a small matter. For many business, comp ratings affect everything else.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80272 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:12 pm to
Sure. My wife works in commercial insurance. A very symbiotic household we have
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:19 pm to
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I know of no long-lasting effects of the disease once you’re over it, so no real SEB claim.


I think it causes some amount of lung scaring. So will they have to pay out on a case by case basis of the % of damage someone gets?

As far as it just being a workers comp claim I'm not so sure about that. Businesses open back up knowing there is a risk some employees might contract this. Are they now negligent because they knowingly put workers at risk?
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10341 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:33 pm to
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Deaths in Louisiana are a flat $75,000 payout.


Nope.

That is only where a a worker dies and leaves no dependents. Then the parents would receive $75,000 lump sum. If married the spouse receives death benefits of 32 !/2 % of AWW { average weekly wage) unless he/she remarries. Then they receive 2 years of benefits.

Minor survivors receive death benefits to age 18 or to age 23 if enrolled in higher education. The number of minors affects the allocation if total benefits for all recipients reaches 66 2/3% of AWW. As each one reaches the end of eligibility payments might increase to the younger ones subject to the individual limit and the cumulative amount.

Before any benefits are paid the worker or survivor would have to establish the exposure occurred at work. That will be a difficult bar.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80272 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:37 pm to
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I think it causes some amount of lung scaring. So will they have to pay out on a case by case basis of the % of damage someone gets?


quote:

In cases not falling within any of the provisions already made, where the employee is seriously and permanently disfigured or suffers a permanent hearing loss solely due to a single traumatic accident, or where the usefulness of the physical function of the respiratory system, gastrointestinal system, or genitourinary system, as contained within the thoracic or abdominal cavities, is seriously and permanently impaired, compensation not to exceed sixty-six and two-thirds percent of wages for a period not to exceed one hundred weeks may be awarded. In cases where compensation is so awarded, when the disability is susceptible to percentage determination, compensation shall be established in the proportions set forth in Subparagraph (o) of this Paragraph. In cases where compensation is so awarded, when the disability is not susceptible to percentage determination, compensation as is reasonable shall be established in proportion to the compensation hereinabove specifically provided in the cases of specific disability.


Max of 100 weeks, but still a high burden to show serious and permanent impairment, especially with disease being so new.

quote:

As far as it just being a workers comp claim I'm not so sure about that. Businesses open back up knowing there is a risk some employees might contract this. Are they now negligent because they knowingly put workers at risk?


The standard to reach an intentional act so as to get out of comp exclusivity is laughably high in Louisiana.

quote:

Since the Bazley case, this Court has continued to narrowly construe the intentional act exception. Under such narrow construction, we have held that “violation of a statute alone is not per se such an intentional act as will result in the employer's tort liability if injuries are sustained by an employee because of the violation.” Mott v. River Parish Maintenance, Inc., 432 So.2d 827, 832 (La.1983) (violation of Child Labor Law). We have also reversed court of appeals' decisions which had found employers' conduct to have met the intentional act exception. In Casto v. Fred's Painting, Inc., we reversed the Fifth Circuit which had found the employer committed an intentional act by knowingly maintaining a refrigerator where paint and some food were stored which produced an electrical shock each and every time a person came into contact with the refrigerator's metal surface. Casto v. Fred's Painting, Inc., 96–405 (La.App. 5 Cir. 1/15/97), 688 So.2d 72, rev'd, 97–0374 (La. 4/4/97), 692 So.2d 408; see also Alexander v. Ingersoll–Rand, 95–1816 **7 La.10/27/95), 661 So.2d 1365.2
Our courts of appeal have likewise narrowly construed the intentional act exception according to its legislative intent and have almost universally held that employers are not liable under the intentional act exception for violations of safety standards or for failing to provide safety equipment. Compare *212 Jasmin v. HNV Central Riverfront Corp., 94–1497 (La.App. 4 Cir. 8/30/94), 642 So.2d 311, writ denied, 94–2445 (La.12/9/94), 647 So.2d 1110 (failure to provide safe working environment in grain storage bin); Leger v. Hardy Rice Drier, Inc., 93–1512 (La.App. 3 Cir. 6/1/94), 640 So.2d 650 (maintaining forklift in unsafe condition); Williams v. Gervais F. Favrot Co., Inc., 573 So.2d 533 (La.App. 4 Cir.), writ denied, 576 So.2d 49 (La.1991) (violations of OSHA and other accepted industry safety standards); Dycus v. Martin Marietta Corp., 568 So.2d 592 (La.App. 4 Cir.), writ denied, 571 So.2d 649 (La.1990) (allowing worker to operate dangerous equipment); Holliday v. B.E. & K. Const. Co., 563 So.2d 1333 (La.App. 3 Cir.1990) (knowledge that machine is dangerous and that its use creates a high probability that someone will eventually be injured from such use); Davis v. Southern Louisiana Insulations, 539 So.2d 922 (La.App. 4 Cir.1989) (failure to **8 provide ladders and scaffolding); Hood v. South Louisiana Medical Center, 517 So.2d 469 (La.App. 1 Cir.1987) (failure to maintain safe working conditions); Taylor v. Metropolitan Erection Co., 496 So.2d 1184 (La.App. 5 Cir.), writ denied, 497 So.2d 1388 (La.1986) (failure to provide scaffold worker with safety belt); Snow v. Gulf States Utilities Co., 492 So.2d 31 (La.App. 1 Cir.), writs denied, 496 So.2d 349, 356 (La.1986) (allowing worker to work too closely to energized wires); Jacobsen v. Southeast Distributors, Inc., 413 So.2d 995 (La.App. 4 Cir.), writ denied, 415 So.2d 953 (La.1982) (failure to provide specifically requested safety equipment); Cortez v. Hooker Chemical and Plastics Corp., 402 So.2d 249 (La.App. 4 Cir.1981) (deficiently designed machinery and disregard of OSHA standards); Erwin v. Excello Corp., 387 So.2d 1288 (La.App. 1 Cir.1980), writs refused, 396 So.2d 1242 and 397 So.2d 1363 (La.1981) with Trahan v. Trans–Louisiana Gas Co., 618 So.2d 30 (La.App. 3 Cir.1993) (employer committed intentional act by repeatedly exposing employee to the chemical mercaptan where employee had become ill on two prior occasions after exposure to mercaptan); Wainwright v. Moreno's, Inc., 602 So.2d 734 (La.App. 3 Cir.1992) (employer committed intentional act by ordering employee to work in a ditch that had caved in the previous day and which looked as though it would cave in again). Likewise, gross negligence does not meet the intentional act requirement. Gallant v. Transcontinental Drilling Co., 471 So.2d 858 (La.App. 2 Cir.1985).
1 Thus, based on the above cases and the legislative purpose behind the enactment of the intentional act exception, the fact that OSHA guidelines prohibited the pot from being moved manually and that the supervisor had specifically requested a forklift from SPS does not meet the strict requirements of that exception



Reeves v. Structural Pres. Sys., 98-1795 (La. 3/12/99, 6–8); 731 So.2d 208, 211–12

[insert generic and toothless disclaimer about none of this being legal advice here]
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80272 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:39 pm to
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Nope.

That is only where a a worker dies and leaves no dependents. Then the parents would receive $75,000 lump sum. If married the spouse receives death benefits of 32 !/2 % of AWW { average weekly wage) unless he/she remarries. Then they receive 2 years of benefits.

Minor survivors receive death benefits to age 18 or to age 23 if enrolled in higher education. The number of minors affects the allocation if total benefits for all recipients reaches 66 2/3% of AWW. As each one reaches the end of eligibility payments might increase to the younger ones subject to the individual limit and the cumulative amount.


I got sloppy and I stand corrected.


quote:

Before any benefits are paid the worker or survivor would have to establish the exposure occurred at work. That will be a difficult bar.


Agreed.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80272 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:40 pm to
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tigersbb


I know you work in insurance and I have a slight hijack...

Do you write any CGL or MEL policies?

If so, do you have to disclose the agency fee to the insured, or is it all rolled into the cumulative premium presented?
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