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re: Anyone else just bored with most conservative/GOP talking points?

Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:19 pm to
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Tweeting all the time about Biden's gas prices isn't enough to convince me the GOP can reverse this country's economic, military, and moral/spiritual decline



This would honestly be a good spot for Trump if it was in his wheelhouse. Trump was great about throwing in doubt conventional wisdom stuff (like, people don't want to hear about preserving tradition, they want gas for 25 cents less).

Unfortunately Trump isn't really the guy to actually do that messaging. He could do the platitudes, but he couldn't articulate preservation of our culture, families, etc. Partly because he's Trump, partly because he's never lived that life so he probably doesn't really understand it.
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:22 pm to
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Unfortunately Trump isn't really the guy to actually do that messaging. He could do the platitudes, but he couldn't articulate preservation of our culture, families, etc. Partly because he's Trump, partly because he's never lived that life so he probably doesn't really understand it.


This is partly the appeal to Tucker Carlson. I know he isn't everyone's cup of tea, and I know he is on Fox. But he does talk about these things, and seems to understand "what time it is" more than most of conservative,Inc. Or the GOP.
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:30 pm to

This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 3:12 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:30 pm to
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A serious party would put forth a 20 year vision for the country's future showing how we'll improve as a society while preserving our culture, traditions, and families in a way that is an alternative to the degenerate vision of the 'progressives'

Why? The nation runs in 2 year electoral spurts. What you are describing is nothing more than a waste of time.
Posted by Browncd81
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:48 pm to
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Why? The nation runs in 2 year electoral spurts. What you are describing is nothing more than a waste of time.


Supposedly a functioning conservative party would give you a consistent vision guided by conservative principles
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:54 pm to
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Supposedly a functioning conservative party would give you a consistent vision guided by conservative principles

And you place no importance on the incredibly stupid electorate they are playing to? Or the media environment?

Any substantive party manifesto would require that the electorate actually understand the issues (they don’t) and that the media report the proposals objectively (they won’t)

The social media infiltration has ruined all hope of responsible government.
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 1:56 pm
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 1:59 pm to
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pointing out the obvious lies and hypocrisy of the left

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They don't care, and their followers do not care. 


Do you not recognize that this has decimated their ranks?
Significantly.

They are legit fuct, and it happened much faster than they thought.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:04 pm to
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Ben Shapiro




Supporters of perpetual Empire in the Republican Party are as big a threat to the future of Liberty in this nation as the neoMarxists.
Posted by squid_hunt
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:05 pm to
So what's your suggestion, Burger?
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:10 pm to
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.... and run a country together.


I love it when Congress does nothing due to the inability to gather a majority. Get lawyers the he!! out of Congress and pray for the success of the Convention of States movement.

Way too many federal laws. Power must be given back to the states. Frig any type of central gooooooberment!!
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:14 pm to
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Do you not recognize that this has decimated their ranks?

Significantly. They are legit fuct, and it happened much faster than they thought.


Anyone who believes in the principles of limited government are the ones who are legit fuct. This woke ideology is being pushed on us from on high so the progs will support continued Empire.

They control the nuclear codes. Where do you think this woke ideology originates?

Flashback: 2005 | Defense Giant Raytheon Protects Transgender Employees….




This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:17 pm to
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So what's your suggestion, Burger?


There needs to be a consolidation and organization effort in real conservative/America First ideology. We simply can't share a party or a movement with the likes of Romney, Cheney, and McConnell. It's a pointless effort, and you are going to be forever swimming with dead weight with these types chained to you. Nothing changes until the right cuts the excess fat off, gets leaner, and more focused.

2nd. People need to move closer to like minded communities. Red areas need to get red again. Kick all the Marxist out of power at school boards, city council, HOA, and local media

Third, once power has been secured at the community level, it would be time to simply start practicing "The doctrine of lesser magistrate" and federalism. And do it unflinchingly. Simply don't submit to the Marxists/globalists under any circumstance. If every red county in the country acted this way, they wouldn't have the resources or will to do anything about it.

Fourth. If they tried to enforce unlawful actions against communities, resist harder. Make them get to the point they have to get violent. And then continue to resist. Become ungovernable.
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted by Plx1776
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:25 pm to
A conservative talking point, eh?

It's like watching someone get their arse kicked in every aspect, and after every arse kicking, all they do is point and say 'derr, dey dun kicked my arse! See? I were right!'.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:37 pm to
The good news is that a lot of the stuff you're talking about is getting more and more play in conservative circles.

The problem is that a lot of things we'd like to advocate for - say, family centric social policy - will be manipulated against us on a nationwide level. So in lieu of that we're stuck holding to libertarian positions (don't do anything!) for self-preservation in most instances. Exceptions in some places, like Florida, where DeSantis appears to share some of what we're talking about and is putting it into action.
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:43 pm to
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The problem is that a lot of things we'd like to advocate for - say, family centric social policy - will be manipulated against us on a nationwide level.


This is why I say focus on dominating at the local level. And that includes education and local media. There is always going to be an element of the national media seeping in with the internet and social media. But it's the only way.

It takes will power and vision. Libertarians are a waste of time. I used to be a hard-core libertarian until I realized it's just an idealogy and not a movement. It is a self defeating ideology that stands no chance against the modern left.

Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:45 pm to
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Anyone else just bored with most conservative/GOP talking points?


I consider myself conservative, but I admit the message of “let’s keep things the same” is an uninspiring message.

Even less exciting is “let’s just kinda be speed bumps.”


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The problem is that a lot of things we'd like to advocate for - say, family centric social policy - will be manipulated against us on a nationwide level. So in lieu of that we're stuck holding to libertarian positions (don't do anything!) for self-preservation in most instances. Exceptions in some places, like Florida, where DeSantis appears to share some of what we're talking about and is putting it into action.


We’ll put. The problem is the manipulation of this principle.

I want Mayberry. I’d love to go back to Mayberry. But Mayberry also has segregation, sexism, and homophobia, etc. to a lot of the US.

I don’t want any of those things to come back but a call back to safe neighborhoods and family centric values translates to racism and wanting a stepford/Handmaid wife according to the modern left.
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:45 pm to
I agree. Although it'll be much easier to do what we're talking about if we can get people focused on small communities first, and then talk about the policy (vs. talking about policy that will only work in small communities first and then trying to explain that).

Might not be possible, it's just a major hurdle in a country so focused on centralized news/policy.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:57 pm to
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I agree. Although it'll be much easier to do what we're talking about if we can get people focused on small communities first, and then talk about the policy (vs. talking about policy that will only work in small communities first and then trying to explain that).


I’ve spent the last week at Pine Cove (Christian family camp) and had a lot of really great conversations with like minded fathers. One just moved to Tyler TX from Los Angeles. He actually brought a group of friends with him that packed up and moved to a neighborhood together. His wife was from CA and he kept trying to get her to move out. She gave up the day that Newsome won his recall. Listed their house the next day.

His friends came with him for the same idea. Smith County is overwhelmingly conservative but he’s wanting to keep it that way even more by moving like minded people there.

The idea of conservative Christian communities banding together to take over local school boards and city councils is gaining steam.

Obviously, faith is more important to me than political ideology, but one side is easily aligned to Christianity right now. I wish that wasn’t so, but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt currently.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 3:05 pm to
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Exceptions in some places, like Florida, where DeSantis appears to share some of what we're talking about and is putting it into action.


DeSantis may be no doctrinaire Libertarian but he is the best Republican Governor by far. Though small “l” libertarians may disagree with DeSantis on the particulars, they should support his state-centric approach to governing.

No other Governor — except perhaps Noem — has pushed back against the COVID-1984 Biosecurity State like DeSantis. I especially like his idea to reinstate a Florida Militia that answers to the citizens of Florida instead of the reigning regime in Washington D.C.

Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 3:15 pm to
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The idea of conservative Christian communities banding together to take over local school boards and city councils is gaining steam.

Obviously, faith is more important to me than political ideology, but one side is easily aligned to Christianity right now. I wish that wasn’t so, but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt currently.


Yep. My wife grew up doing Pine Cove.

I think a lot of things are happening at the right moment to make some of these things seem more plausible to pretty average folks - COVID changing how we think about work, open ideological war on kids (and boys in particular), Benedict Option and similar books getting a lot of chatter in recent years, etc.

You're hearing more and more Christian conservatives who want to leave the hamster wheel of establishment and even Trumpian politics for something different entirely. Vermuele and the post libs are calling it common good conservatism, and I heard the Chesterton Society name it "localism" (an adaptation of distributism). I'm not sure I'm fully aligned with any of that in toto - but at least people are keying in on it as a cohesive thing and trying to name it.
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