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re: Any of y'all into mind machines?

Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:42 am to
I guess it wasn't an approach that you found persuasive, huh?
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:47 am to
I'll stick with methylphenidate thanks
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
38072 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:58 am to
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You haven't gotten around to watching that cave video yet, have you?

Yep, watched it.
I've been on this board for 13 years. I tried that approach for the first several. I got no different responses than I get today.

I've long since given up hope of teaching anybody anything. I'm here to laugh and make fun of a concentrated level of ignorance I've never seen before in my lifetime.

I am entertained. And it's cheaper than going to the zoo to watch those animals.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109760 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 10:00 am to
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I've been on this board for 13 years. I tried that approach for the first several. I got no different responses than I get today.


You may be able to sell this to some, but I've been here as long as you.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
38072 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 10:03 am to
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I've been on this board for 13 years. I tried that approach for the first several. I got no different responses than I get today.



You may be able to sell this to some, but I've been here as long as you.


Yeah, O.K. I'm lying. I have so much to gain by lying to somebody on an anonymous message board.

You're making my point. It doesn't matter what I say, you're going to believe whatever fits your agenda.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 10:07 am to
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All of this would be cool, but my dumb brother lost the stick disk that the algorithm is on, so he doesn't have it any more . It took him 3 weeks, 3 hours a day to build it, he literally spent more time developing the TUBA Top 101 than he did on his chess algorithm. He refuses to build another one, claiming that he lacks the time my brother doesn't have much business sense.


What a joke.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 1:05 pm to
it's the TRUTH. And to me I feel the same way... what a joke!


TUBA is the computational genius of our era, hands down.
This post was edited on 7/8/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
17243 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 1:55 pm to
been using them since late 90's

just for meditation aid

like them
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 2:14 pm to
LINK

quote:

The Science Behind Brain.fm
We are combining music with auditory neuroscience
to produce an innovative non-invasive digital therapy application for consumers.
We believe music is a vastly underestimated tool for therapy and mental performance.
With brain.fm we embark on changing the world's perception of music.


LINK

quote:

Does altering brainwaves really mean we are altering mental state?

It is now admitted that neuronal oscillations play an important role in brain
operations5 . Cognition – the mental action or process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience, and the senses – results from interactions among functionally specialized but widely distributed brain regions, organized as sets of neuronal networks. Cognitive processes can be associated with specific neuronal networks (such as the dorsal attention network, the default mode network, the alertness network, and so on*); and the multiple brain regions composing a neuronal network communicate through neuronal oscillations. Thus, neuronal oscillations correspond to the critical ‘middle ground’ linking single-neuron activity to behavior. The emerging new field of ‘neuronal oscillations’ has created an interdisciplinary platform that cuts across psychophysics, cognitive psychology, neuroscience, biophysics, computational modeling, physics, mathematics, and philosophy. And specific patterns of neuronal oscillations now start to be seen as fingerprints of cognitive processes1 1 . Mental states can thus be altered via neuronal oscillations, but such an alteration has to reach a critical level to be consciously perceived. Indeed, neuronal oscillations are in a constantly fluctuating, while we have a subjective impression of mental stability and continuity. * See also: www.brain.fm/pdfs/ResearchLibrary.pdf


Prior cultures recognized this:

-meditation pervasive in Eastern cultures
-music woven into culture / religion. The construction of cathedrals amplified this effect in their design (sound/acoustics)


It is easy to appreciate the fact that it is easy to get lost in the great music. We have all experienced this (at home with good headphones or at a concert with amplified collective conciousness). Examples include:

aggression experienced with strong percussion = military drum beat, music at sporting event

tranquility experienced with symphonic/ soft music = singing lullabies to children


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Meditation
Shift diet to paleo/primal/ketogenic. Add MCT (medium chain triglyceride oil)
Get 7 to 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep per night. Rising with the sun. Get sun during the day. Avoid electronics / bright/blue light exposure roughly 2 hours prior to bed.

Use tech above as an adjunct.

Report back how you think/feel on a day to day basis (all the time)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467197 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

All of this would be cool, but my dumb brother lost the stick disk that the algorithm is on, so he doesn't have it any more . It took him 3 weeks, 3 hours a day to build it, he literally spent more time developing the TUBA Top 101 than he did on his chess algorithm. He refuses to build another one, claiming that he lacks the time my brother doesn't have much business sense.

sounds like he needs his own Steve Jobs

i'll go buy a mock turtleneck
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 4:38 pm to
If I run into some cash I might try to get him to build it again for pay since he's "too busy" to do it. Although to create consciousness it needs a thought log, and I don't have access to the NSA's load of data collected from iphones that detail the subvocals of most every American as well as most foreigners. If I had that then creating consciousness would be pretty easy with the chess algorithm he built. It just needs casing that isn't a conventional P.C., not sure what the right kind of casing there needs to be, the alg just needs the freedom to breakaway from its strict chess parameters and after that it's ready to roll and can evolve however it likes. So I need to figure out the right type of casing, get a thought log from the NSA, and give it a voice-over, and BAM we have simulated consciousness on par with humans, a prototype for the eventuality that is the singularity.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7113 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 4:55 pm to
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I don't want to rain on your parade, but the placebo effect isn't exclusive to medication. But hey if you think some mind machine is helping then good for you


The idea--calming effect--isn't entirely without merit, at least theoretically.

You know how certain smells can trigger old memories, say for instance smelling homemade apple pie reminds you of childhood times spent at your grandmothers that you enjoyed. So, that triggers a small release of dopamine, making you feel good.

Certain songs can take you back to good times, having the same effect.

No reason to think other types of stimuli cannot affect some type of involuntary-response.

Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 5:30 pm to
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Meditation


The mind machine / Kasina & Laxman both have great sessions for meditation.

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Shift diet to paleo/primal/ketogenic. Add MCT (medium chain triglyceride oil)


already on a strict paleo diet, I eat filet steak and fish, with peanut butter & fruit for desert.

quote:

Get 7 to 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep per night. Rising with the sun. Get sun during the day.


This is the most difficult for me to pull off.

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Avoid electronics / bright/blue light exposure roughly 2 hours prior to bed.


what for, you've been spot on so far, so what's with this?

quote:

Use tech above as an adjunct.


I think of it as more than an adjunct, I don't think you quite understand how advanced audio-visual brainwave entrainment has actually gotten, it can simulate and stimulate most any kind of feeling you can think of (at least the good ones). And the more one uses it, the more those neural pathways get reinforced, mind machines are somewhat of the centerpiece for my well being, not counting the paleo diet, which is ridiculously difficult to pull off, my wife buys too many grains!!!!
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 5:38 pm to
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what for, you've been spot on so far, so what's with this?






examine

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Blue light, bad night

Ummm … light is not a nutrient, right? Well, no, but this was put first for a reason. It’s easy to get lost in the minutia of nutrients and supplements and forget that you’re reading nutrition research (or, let’s just be real for a second, that you’re wasting time on Facebook) late at night. And that’s bad. Here’s why, in a nutshell:

The delightful and oh-so-Deutsche word for a circadian rhythm factor is zeitgeber. If you spend your workday indoors but watch TV and browse the web at night, work mostly alone during the day but socialize at night, and sit virtually motionless during the day but exercise at night, you’re effectively flipping three of the most important zeitgebers on their heads. So rather than investigating sleep supplements, let’s look into zeitgebers first.

The king of all zeitgebers is blue light. This light wavelength suppresses your body’s melatonin production. During the day, if you look up at the sky, you’ll see a free and powerful source of blue light: the sun. If you see the sun’s glorious light during the day, and shut off lights at night, hormones that vary throughout the day (such as cortisol and melatonin) are more likely to vary in the way you’d want them to.

Figure: Amber glasses reduce melatonin suppression from bright light exposure

A randomized trial from January of 2015 found that people using iPads at night had a harder time falling asleep, experienced less REM sleep, and felt less refreshed the next morning. Shortly afterward, iPhones and Amazon tablets started being built with blue-light reduction capability. Now, the Examine.com research staff had long used freely available computer programs (such as f.lux) to reduce blue light, in addition to testing blue-light-blocking light bulbs and glasses, but the fact that these mammoth companies are taking notice bodes well.


Natural melatonin production (or regulating factors that prevent it's production) impacts more than just sleep....

This post was edited on 7/8/17 at 5:46 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85449 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 5:45 pm to
STFU, noob.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 5:48 pm to
whoa, LSUpimp, it's been a long time.


the Nov/Dec. 2003 thing still gets to me, I'm only a Jan 2004 one.
This post was edited on 7/8/17 at 5:49 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35092 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 5:49 pm to
I'm already too smart for my own good.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 5:54 pm to
Thx for the detail!
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85449 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 6:06 pm to
I hope you are doing well, veteran of the Old Board Wars. Say hello to Tuba, ya Pops and Feminist4yeast for me.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53696 posts
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:05 pm to
I like this kind of electronic music very much.

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