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An Interesting Bit From Oliver Stone’s Interview Of Putin
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:17 pm
STONE: What do you think of these candidates in the US election?
PUTIN: I believe that the people of the United States are going to choose the one who deserves it best.
STONE: No we want to hear what you think, just as a personal thing, the characters.
PUTIN: We are going to be ready to work with whoever gets elected by the people of the United States. I said that on several occasions and that’s the truth. I believe nothing is going to change, no matter who gets elected. smile
STONE: How about Bernie Sanders? Would you like that?
PUTIN: Well, it’s not up for us to say. It’s not whether we are going to like it or not. All I can say is as follows. I have some experience of communicating. The force and power of the United States bureaucracy is very great. And there are many facts that are not visible to the candidates until they become president. And the moment one gets to real work he or she feels the burden and the reality.
STONE: Yeah, yeah, I get it. You didn’t answer my question about Sanders, about whether you would like him.
PUTIN: You can take what I’ve just said as an answer to your question. smile
STONE: Ahhh
PUTIN: My colleague Barack Obama promised to close Guantánamo. He failed to do that. But I’m convinced that he sincerely wanted to do that. So we can’t take all that is said in those pre-election promises as a reality.
STONE: But you realize how powerful your answer could be, right? If you said I like X candidate, he will go like that points down tomorrow and if you said I didn’t like X candidate, what would happen? He would win, right? You have that amount of power in the US.
PUTIN: Unlike many partners of ours, we never interfere within the domestic affairs of other countries. smile That is one of the principles we stick to in our work. smile
STONE: So why are you hated so much in the United States?
PUTIN: You answered this question at the beginning of our conversation. The ruling class, and there is a ruling class in the United States, believe that they have to fight Russia. That they have to restrain Russia, to contain our development. Certainty brainwashing is one of the tools to create the necessary political environment to achieve these goals. These goals are the false ones and this policy is erroneous. I do hope that once the new president is elected we will be able to build relations which will change the paradigm for relations between Russia and the United States for the better. smile
Thoughts?
Those smiles. I can’t help but think he is amused by the notion that we have democracy in the US.
PUTIN: I believe that the people of the United States are going to choose the one who deserves it best.
STONE: No we want to hear what you think, just as a personal thing, the characters.
PUTIN: We are going to be ready to work with whoever gets elected by the people of the United States. I said that on several occasions and that’s the truth. I believe nothing is going to change, no matter who gets elected. smile
STONE: How about Bernie Sanders? Would you like that?
PUTIN: Well, it’s not up for us to say. It’s not whether we are going to like it or not. All I can say is as follows. I have some experience of communicating. The force and power of the United States bureaucracy is very great. And there are many facts that are not visible to the candidates until they become president. And the moment one gets to real work he or she feels the burden and the reality.
STONE: Yeah, yeah, I get it. You didn’t answer my question about Sanders, about whether you would like him.
PUTIN: You can take what I’ve just said as an answer to your question. smile
STONE: Ahhh
PUTIN: My colleague Barack Obama promised to close Guantánamo. He failed to do that. But I’m convinced that he sincerely wanted to do that. So we can’t take all that is said in those pre-election promises as a reality.
STONE: But you realize how powerful your answer could be, right? If you said I like X candidate, he will go like that points down tomorrow and if you said I didn’t like X candidate, what would happen? He would win, right? You have that amount of power in the US.
PUTIN: Unlike many partners of ours, we never interfere within the domestic affairs of other countries. smile That is one of the principles we stick to in our work. smile
STONE: So why are you hated so much in the United States?
PUTIN: You answered this question at the beginning of our conversation. The ruling class, and there is a ruling class in the United States, believe that they have to fight Russia. That they have to restrain Russia, to contain our development. Certainty brainwashing is one of the tools to create the necessary political environment to achieve these goals. These goals are the false ones and this policy is erroneous. I do hope that once the new president is elected we will be able to build relations which will change the paradigm for relations between Russia and the United States for the better. smile
Thoughts?
Those smiles. I can’t help but think he is amused by the notion that we have democracy in the US.
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:19 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:
Well, it’s not up for us to say. It’s not whether we are going to like it or not. All I can say is as follows. I have some experience of communicating. The force and power of the United States bureaucracy is very great. And there are many facts that are not visible to the candidates until they become president. And the moment one gets to real work he or she feels the burden and the reality.
wow
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:20 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:
Thoughts?
The left is far....FAR worse and a bigger threat to us than Putin and Russia will EVER be.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:21 pm to LuckyTiger
Putin understands the deep state.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:37 pm to wareaglepete
quote:
Putin understands the deep state
Well no shite, he is the deep state. Like saying Colonel Sanders understands chicken.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:39 pm to wareaglepete
quote:
Putin understands the deep state.
Of course he does. He was part of the Soviet security state, and continued into the Russian one. While he signals that he doesn't think the US ruling class should consider Russia a threat, both he and that class operate through realist principles. The West will take and take and take, and it is up to the Russians, or any enemy, to stop them.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:42 pm to LuckyTiger
"To destroy a myth, sometimes you have to create another myth." -- Oliver Stone on his film JFK
Remember that when he pontificates
Remember that when he pontificates
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:53 pm to Dennis Celery
quote:
The left is far....FAR worse and a bigger threat to us than Putin and Russia will EVER be.
Didn’t the “right” get us Iraq and the patriot act and the TSA?
When will people wake up and realize our politics, like Putin fricking said in the linked convo, is run by a ruling class. Not left or right.
Like, before Trump threw a monkey wrench into things, we would have had Clinton/Bush II.
Carlin also stated it pretty plainly, “it’s a party, pal, and you ain’t in it”.
By stating “Dems are to blame”, “libs are to blame”, “reps are to blame”, etc, you are playing their game, which is rigged against you and me.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:58 pm to OMLandshark
I am recalling a scene from The Godfather, Part II:
“Senator, we’re all a part of the same hypocrisy.”
“Senator, we’re all a part of the same hypocrisy.”
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:58 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Well no shite, he is the deep state.
Oh for frick's sake.
That statement shows a severe lack of understanding of Russian politics.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:29 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Oh for frick's sake.
That statement shows a severe lack of understanding of Russian politics.
Not OUR deep state, but Russia maybe has the ultimate deep state in their country.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:31 pm to OMLandshark
Putin is more “American” and “Christian” than our current president
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:32 pm to moneyg
quote:
Well, it’s not up for us to say. It’s not whether we are going to like it or not. All I can say is as follows. I have some experience of communicating. The force and power of the United States bureaucracy is very great. And there are many facts that are not visible to the candidates until they become president. And the moment one gets to real work he or she feels the burden and the reality.
wow
Honestly it sounds like he has more insight into how our country is really run than the idiots running it.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:36 pm to LuckyTiger
A fascinating series of interviews from two fascinating personalities. The companion book to the television show offers an expanded transcribed version of Sone’s interviews.
Whatever your opinion of Putin or Stone, Putin is an astute commentator on geopolitics. Putin indeed hits the nail on the head when discussing the disastrous outcomes that have followed the Perpetual Ruling Regime in Washington targeting the secularist rulers in the Middle East.
Stone: Can you describe why you sent troops to Syria and what your objective was? Give us a little history of that and where you are now?
Putin: Well, it’s very easy to explain. We see what has happened in certain countries of the region. I refer in particular to Iraq and to Libya. As to President el-Sisi of Egypt, the same thing did not happen in Egypt. Other countries are also in a difficult situation. But in Libya and in Iraq, a tragedy has transpired. And that has happened due to the forceful ousting of the current regimes. These regimes were destroyed—they were not simply ousted from power—the leadership was eliminated. And we don’t want the same thing to happen in Syria, otherwise the whole region is going to be plunged into chaos. Moreover, if the same thing that happened in Libya happens in Syria, the position of radical organizations, terrorist organizations, are going to be solidified in a great manner. Right now they’re very strong because they control a vast part of the oil that is being extracted in that region.
Stone: Who’s “they?” Terrorists?
Putin: Terrorists, yes. So they sell museum artifacts, cultural artifacts, and they also receive aid from abroad and they have grown very powerful. And we should prevent them from getting even stronger. Because they are trying to create a Caliphate from southern Europe extending to Central Asia.
Stone: Can we go back and discuss briefly the mistakes that Assad made?
Putin: I don’t think it is my place to discuss mistakes committed by heads of state and governments—my colleagues, my counterparts. But despite these mistakes that he made, the situation in Syria wouldn’t be like it is today if there had been no interference from outside. And we hear that President Assad is in conflict with his own people, this is not the whole truth. We know what ISIS says—there are so many mercenaries in it. And those are not citizens of Syria.
Whatever your opinion of Putin or Stone, Putin is an astute commentator on geopolitics. Putin indeed hits the nail on the head when discussing the disastrous outcomes that have followed the Perpetual Ruling Regime in Washington targeting the secularist rulers in the Middle East.
Stone: Can you describe why you sent troops to Syria and what your objective was? Give us a little history of that and where you are now?
Putin: Well, it’s very easy to explain. We see what has happened in certain countries of the region. I refer in particular to Iraq and to Libya. As to President el-Sisi of Egypt, the same thing did not happen in Egypt. Other countries are also in a difficult situation. But in Libya and in Iraq, a tragedy has transpired. And that has happened due to the forceful ousting of the current regimes. These regimes were destroyed—they were not simply ousted from power—the leadership was eliminated. And we don’t want the same thing to happen in Syria, otherwise the whole region is going to be plunged into chaos. Moreover, if the same thing that happened in Libya happens in Syria, the position of radical organizations, terrorist organizations, are going to be solidified in a great manner. Right now they’re very strong because they control a vast part of the oil that is being extracted in that region.
Stone: Who’s “they?” Terrorists?
Putin: Terrorists, yes. So they sell museum artifacts, cultural artifacts, and they also receive aid from abroad and they have grown very powerful. And we should prevent them from getting even stronger. Because they are trying to create a Caliphate from southern Europe extending to Central Asia.
Stone: Can we go back and discuss briefly the mistakes that Assad made?
Putin: I don’t think it is my place to discuss mistakes committed by heads of state and governments—my colleagues, my counterparts. But despite these mistakes that he made, the situation in Syria wouldn’t be like it is today if there had been no interference from outside. And we hear that President Assad is in conflict with his own people, this is not the whole truth. We know what ISIS says—there are so many mercenaries in it. And those are not citizens of Syria.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:41 pm to wareaglepete
quote:
Putin understands the deep state.
Yet as an ardent Nationalist like Trump, Putin likewise understands the threat of Globalism.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:41 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Well no shite, he is the deep state.
Just like Bill Maher, your favorite Deep State television personality.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:48 pm to memphis tiger
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Honestly it sounds like he has more insight into how our country is really run than the idiots running it.
You got that right. Certainly Putin and Stone both came into the interviews with their own agenda.
So are these series of interviews a form of propaganda? Certainly no more than the one-side portrayal of Putin by the Mockingbird Media in our own country.
The book indeed offers an much needed antidote of sorts to the official State Propaganda of the MSM which largely serves as an unofficial mouthpiece for our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus. I highly recommend the book for anyone with an IQ above room temperature who correctly realizes that the American media industrial complex is a wholly owned subsidiary of our nation’s Deep State.
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