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re: America is the LAST obstacle to a globalist society
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:18 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:18 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
Good Lord, what a strawman.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:19 pm to HempHead
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America is the progenitor of a globalist society.
This. It's why thousands of our men and women have been sacrificed in far flung places like Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Bosnia, Afghanistan and Iraq. It's why we have initiated coups in countries far too many to name for the last 6 decades. It's why we've devalued our currency and it's why we spend billions of taxpayer money each year to buy friendships with dictators whose populations want us to leave them the hell alone. It's this most basic of American political orthodoxies that make the Bush's and the Clinton's best friends. It's why the United States has long abandoned the warnings of our founding fathers and ceased to be a constitutional republic. Until the empire ends, the United States will never be a free society.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:27 pm to SCLibertarian
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Until the empire ends, the United States will never be a free society.
What’s up with all of your bullshite?
How are you not free?
What is it you want to do that you can’t do?
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:29 pm to Big_Slim
I have no idea what kind of paranoid things some of you are talking about when you talk about a globalist society.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:31 pm to HempHead
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America is the progenitor of a globalist society.
Exactly! Who can forget Bush I and his famous NWO remarks. The push towards globalization started with the US and went into hyper drive when the federal government and corporate lobbyists agreed that we should develop the untapped markets in China, S Korea, Malaysia, etc. I guess in someways it was inevitable but we really screwed up giving China advanced manufacturing/industrial technologies, it’s allowed China to be our equal in producing high tech electronics, metals, composites, etc.
An advanced economy that would have taken China many decades to develop was reduced to 15-20 years because our global corporations need for mo money, mo money and mo money.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:31 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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So go build a shack in the woods and live on $30 a year like the Unabomber? Jesus Christ, this is stupid.
Or, we could institute a government that actually respects and adheres to it's Constitutional bounds. Sure it's a conservative utopian pipe dream, but it's actually in the Constitution, and is supposed to be the law of the land. As it is, we have a government powerful and irreverent enough to have them confiscating enough money from those who produce in this country to finance layer upon layer upon layer of law enforcement and government bureaucracy, creating ever more need for law enforcement and bureaucracy, almost all of which is unconstitutional on it's face.
Feel free not to read my stupidity if it bothers you.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:37 pm to Eurocat
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I have no idea what kind of paranoid things some of you are talking about when you talk about a globalist society.
Narrator: They don’t know either.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:39 pm to Decatur
One world government mannnnnn
Made possible by a shitty American populace and weakened American economy
Don't act like this is that conspiratorial. There are many extremely powerful people, particularly in Europe, who have admitted this is the endgame.
Made possible by a shitty American populace and weakened American economy
Don't act like this is that conspiratorial. There are many extremely powerful people, particularly in Europe, who have admitted this is the endgame.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:42 pm to bamafan1001
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This is what I don’t understand. You can literally move anywhere else on planet earth to experience socialism and big government. Why cant there be one single country with free market capitalism?
That's obvious. It's because it works, and it's a threat to people being self sufficient and less controllable.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:43 pm to Decatur
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What’s up with all of your bullshite?
How are you not free?
What is it you want to do that you can’t do?
I don't want my countrymen dying halfway around the world to enrich a multinational corporation or so that a politician can save face.
I don't want my government colluding with tech companies so that a digital profile of someone can be obtained at the click of a button.
I don't want that same government collecting my communications and metadata, even if they promise they're not peeking at it, because history tells us they are or will.
From the moment you wake up, the state controls your life. If you have to drive to work, you need a license, registration and insurance. In some locales, you have to pay a toll to drive on roads your taxes already to pay to maintain. That route to work, assuming it's an urban or suburban route, is probably also filled with cameras that document your every move. The home you drive to every evening that you've paid for isn't really yours: you rent it from the government via property taxes.
Look at what happens in this country to people who buck our establishment: Snowden and Assange are in exile, Glenn Greenwald is in Brazil and Laura Poitras is an expat who moved to Germany to stop being harassed by the government.
My point is we have strayed so far from being a self-reliant and independent people. War and conflict grow the state exponentially, and the leviathan that exists today is a direct result of our interventionist foreign policy.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:47 pm to SCLibertarian
I never realized how oppressed you are.
Thoughts and prayers.
Thoughts and prayers.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:51 pm to SCLibertarian
You have to look for them but there are some parts of the libertarian viewpoint that are conservative.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 2:57 pm to Decatur
I feel sorry for people like you. Here you are, a professed liberal or progressive. Your kind are supposed to stand up for the oppressed and downtrodden, yet you reflexively support the most illiberal and autocratic policies of the American political establishment that disproportionately affect minorities.
Who do you think most of the American casualties are in our overseas wars? Poor white kids and minorities. Historically, who do you think are the primary targets of secret domestic surveillance? Radical progressives and revolutionaries. Who are the targets of the FBI's fake terror plots used to entrap citizens into criminal conspiracies? Disenchanted and disillusioned minorities.
I've never understood how critical theory progressives can, on one hand, talk about the evils of institutionalized prejudice in government, yet simultaneously mock civil libertarians for advocating the destruction or scaling back of said institution.
Who do you think most of the American casualties are in our overseas wars? Poor white kids and minorities. Historically, who do you think are the primary targets of secret domestic surveillance? Radical progressives and revolutionaries. Who are the targets of the FBI's fake terror plots used to entrap citizens into criminal conspiracies? Disenchanted and disillusioned minorities.
I've never understood how critical theory progressives can, on one hand, talk about the evils of institutionalized prejudice in government, yet simultaneously mock civil libertarians for advocating the destruction or scaling back of said institution.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:04 pm to SCLibertarian
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you reflexively support the most illiberal and autocratic policies of tbe American political establishment that disproportionately affect minorities.
I’m trying to figure out what it is you think I support that wasn’t either voted on or otherwise subject to oversight by my elected representatives.
Help me out.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:11 pm to Decatur
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I’m trying to figure out what it is you think I support that wasn’t either voted on or otherwise subject to oversight by my elected representatives.
I'm guessing you and I are probably in agreement on many issues pertaining to foreign policy, law enforcement accountability and civil liberties. I'm guessing where we differ is the faith in the system. I have zero faith in our current system, largely because I don't believe our politicians actually run the country. They are figureheads for monied interests, much in the same way the Robber Barons were the real political power during the Gilded Age.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:31 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't think Russia, China, Japan, etc., are down with a one-world government.
Japan doesn't scare anyone.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:38 pm to HempHead
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America is the progenitor of a globalist society.
Yeah I was about to say. The West has led globalization, integration, and liberalization. It's weird how there is the belief that America is somehow anti-globalist. It's verifiably untrue.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:42 pm to m2pro
My brain just doesn’t work that way. I don’t find satisfaction in bossing people around or controlling people.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:44 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't think Russia, China, Japan, etc., are down with a one-world government.
Maybe not exactly, but neither are they being pressured in that direction like the US. I suspect they are for anything that weakens the USA, so in the short run, I believe they do support such a notion.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:45 pm to ngadawg250
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Maybe not exactly, but neither are they being pressured in that direction like the US. I suspect they are for anything that weakens the USA, so in the short run, I believe they do support such a notion.
But the issue is that the US has been the leader in globalization since the end of WWII. China and Russia only resist because they would much rather be the leaders. The goal of centralization efforts at home always has a geopolitical component.
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