re: America is such a hard place to live for millennials

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How long has she been an EA? How long with the company?

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She was hired as an EA straight out of the military......$65K.........go ahead. Guess her MOS. Hint. Nothing that "translated".

But, you know what she did? She recognized that in this town, if you know SharePoint and are kick arse at Excel/Powerpoint, you are in demand.

So. She got hired at a job that said "Bachelor's Degree Required" because she handed off an example of her SELF TAUGHT exceptional skills in Excel and PP along with getting a SharePoint cert.

$65K, off the street.

Now, sure. Had she sat on her hands and not taught herself those skills, she's probably making shite.

But, NOW, she's actually getting offers elsewhere from people who see her work product.

Funny how that degree requirement fades when you can prove your worth.

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You know what else everyone needs to learn? Basic budgeting and finance. The number of people with full-time jobs that don't have $1,000 in the bank is bananas

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This goes to that immediate gratification culture we have........which certainly extends beyond millennials.

Like I said earlier. While I certainly laud Boomers and older Xers for their demonstrated work ethic over time.........the fricked up shite that came to be accepted as "parenting" in my peer group is an affront to nature.

Millennials didn't fall out of the sky with some of the social pathologies they have.

We made them that way!

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Good for your wife. Doesn't change the fact that we are talking about the Accounting field where Target experience will not get you 100k as a staff accountant.

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I already said it wouldn't be an accounting job. So, I'm not sure of your point.

Accounting degrees prepare you for more than Staff Accountant positions.

Now, I mean, if it's your life long dream to move up in the big 4, then yeah, Target won't help.

But, alas, that's a personal choice.

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The context was very clearly major accounting/consulting firm. Someone with an Accounting degree that has no relevant experience isn't getting hired as anything other than a Staff.

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And when you gave that response, I replied with

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Obviously, people who get credible accounting degrees are pretty friggin marketable even in today's market.

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and then when you reiterated the specific industry issue I replied with

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Well then, I suspect that you'll be fine elsewhere with that high speed accounting degree and management experience.

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In fact, you show me someone with a Masters in Accounting here in Huntsville who also owns management experience where they were responsible for more than $500k in weekly volume and nearly 100 employees and I'll show you someone I'll have making six figures before I finish Thanksgiving Dinner this year.

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In other words, outside your specific industry.

But, lest that not be specific enough, when you replied,

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Sure. If they have 4-5 years of experience in Accounting. Someone in his first or second year of an accounting career isn't making six figures.

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I again reiterated

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I wouldn't be getting him an accounting job. And yeah. Maybe not quite 6 figures. But that SOB would make $80 off the street here. Hell, I probably wouldn't have to leave my building to get him $80K.

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So. I kinda thought we had already crossed the bridge where I pointed out that in Huntsville, that accounting degree plus the experience I described would get you a job NOT as an accountant that made very solid money.

I don't know where we got off track. I'm trying to be clear.

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Now, I mean, if it's your life long dream to move up in the big 4, then yeah, Target won't help.

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I just think that the target experience is going to have confined exit opportunities. Retail is not exactly the way of the future. You'll be stuck managing an enterprise rental facility or a call center. Not terrible but not shooting for the stars either

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I just think that the target experience is going to have confined exit opportunities. Retail is not exactly the way of the future.

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This goes to my resume point.

There are MANY things a Target Manager does that cross many disciplines.

Hell. How do you people think military people make the transition?

Target transitions to the civilian world a lot more than fricking Infantryman or Tanker does!

But, when you actually examine it, you find quite a few things that are more common than you think.

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You'll be stuck managing an enterprise rental facility or a call center. Not terrible but not shooting for the stars either

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Well of course.

But this thread got rolling talking about people who can't find jobs period with their degrees.

There's a lot of happy space in between "the stars" and "can't find a fricking job".

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My children are ages, 29, 27, 25, 18, 17, 14, and 11.

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That grocery bill in the early aughts was a motherfricker, baw.

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Hell. How do you people think military people make the transition?

Target transitions to the civilian world a lot more than fricking Infantryman or Tanker does!

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Agree to disagree here. A lot of large companies love to hire former military. It's listed on a lot of job applications.

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There's a lot of happy space in between "the stars" and "can't find a fricking job".

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Of course, but I'd MUCH rather have a good degree and/or military experience than Target/Walmart experience. That was the point.

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Agree to disagree here. A lot of large companies love to hire former military. It's listed on a lot of job applications.

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This is actually an unfortunate myth.

On the side, I specialize in assisting transitioning veterans and the very first thing we have to break to them is that the reality is, there's a pretty solid bias AGAINST veterans.

They're seen as never having to meet a bottom line. Having lived in an overly rigid environment that doesn't value innovative thinking. And, quite often, simply as people unaccustomed to not being able to just order people to do shite.

It's real problem before you even get to the problem that a lot of the experience isn't civilian compatible.

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Of course, but I'd MUCH rather have a good degree and/or military experience than Target/Walmart experience. That was the point.

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I'm in a VERY military friendly town and I'm not even 100% certain I'd say that.

Get away from military towns and you really would be surprised at how hard it is for those of us who help those guys. It's a bit of an uphill climb.

Unfortunately, a great many transitioning veterans have heard the hype and think they will just got places and say, "I'm former Army" and blammo, job.

Surf LinkedIn on this subject. There is copious discussion of this problem.

Really all the way through about 2010 must have been pretty rough.