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GumboPot
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All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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This study was large and well-conducted. It used a database that covers 85 million Americans in 63 health-care organizations. It was published Oct. 5 in World Psychiatry, a peer-reviewed journal. People were included if they’d had no Covid infection before vaccination and had been “fully vaccinated” - that is, 14 days after the second dose.

The researchers wound up examining medical records of about 580,000 Americans, 30,000 with a substance use disorder, 550,000 without. They found that just over 7 percent of people with a use disorder wound up with a breakthrough infection between January and August, compared to 3.6 percent of those without.

Okay. Set aside the small group of users and focus only on the 550,000 people in the non-using group. They had a 3.6 percent chance of infection for fully vaccinated people over eight months, January to August.

But eight months is really about four months. Why? These are BREAKTHROUGH infections, and the average vaccinated American was not “fully” vaccinated until mid-April. (Remember, too, that “breakthrough” infections do not include the two weeks after the first dose, when vaccine efficacy is somewhere between zero and negative.)

So 1 in 28 “fully vaccinated” people was infected over the four months when the vaccines were at peak effectiveness. Because vaccines work!



But story gets worse. Much worse.

The researchers stratified the risk of infection by month, January through August.

Here’s that chart - for the 550,000 people WITHOUT a substance use disorder, in other words the vast majority of the sample.

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The rate of breakthrough infections rose FIVE-FOLD between July and August (and roughly 20-fold from March to August).

By the way, the scale here represents the rate of breakthrough infections PER DAY. In other words, in August, those 550,000 fully vaccinated people had a roughly 1 in 200 chance of being infected each day. (Which translates into about a 7 percent chance for the month, which doesn’t match the 3.6 percent total infection rate for this group for the entire time period. It is possible the data does not cover the entire month. Nonetheless the trend could not be clearer.)

As the researchers explained:

A similar trend was observed in the non-SUD population: the rate of breakthrough infection steadily increased from 0 cases/person-day in January 2021 to 0.0009 cases/person-day in June 2021, and then reached 0.0049 cases/person-day in August 2021 (5.4 times faster than in June 2021)

It is simply impossible to argue about vaccine failure any more.

Whether it’s because of the Delta variant, waning antibodies, or some combination, the vaccines simply don’t provide infection (and thus transmission) protection. The only studies that show anything like 80 or 90 percent protection after a few months are those the companies have funded. Maybe they provide some protection against serious cases - hospitalizations and deaths - for longer, but we don’t know how long, and that efficacy declines too.



In any case, as has been pointed out over and over - but I will say yet again - if the vaccines do not stop infection and transmission, then even if they provide some health benefit (and it is far from clear they have a net health benefit for healthy adults under 50, and possibly older), they SHOULD NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be mandated.

I can’t believe I have to write this, but apparently I do.

In the United States, we do not force adults take medicines or have medical procedures if they are psychiatrically competent (and it is quite difficult to get long-term judgments of incompetency, as it should be). We do not make them lose weight. Or stop drinking. Or exercise. We do not make women have abortions (or get pregnant).

PERSONAL MEDICAL DECISION MAKING IS PERSONAL; IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE STATE.

These Covid vaccine mandates and quasi-mandates are fast becoming the greatest infringement on liberty in the United States since slavery was abolished; and I don’t know what is going to stop them.


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arcalades
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all i need to know is I got the vaccine and still felt like shite for 2 weeks bc covid


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CDawson
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All the charts and studies in the world mean nothing. Any honest mind knows the China Virus is a hoax and the "vaccination" is anything but a vaccination.

This is a Communist/Marxist take over of our country under the guise of a pandemic. It is not about health or science.


idsrdum
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
Did you know there were breakthrough cases in the clinical trial?
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Among 3410 total cases of suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group. Suspected COVID-19 cases that occurred within 7 days after any vaccination were 409 in the vaccine group vs. 287 in the placebo group.



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Eurocat
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
So proof that the incidence rate goes up from '

.00001

to

.00005

and this is proof?

Instead of being very very very very very effective, it is only very very very very effective?

Plus did you read where it said Amobng 3410 total cases of SUSPECTED BUT UNCOMFIRMED Covid-19 cases...

So this breaking news chart is about how an extremely effective vaccine is still extremely effective in cases which may or may not be Covid.

Ummm...thanks.



dgnx6
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
These vaccines shouldn’t be mandated you fascist prick.



Bulldogblitz
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Tha just means biweekly boosters are needed! Get the jabsssss!!!! Don't be selfish!!!!!!! My vax won't work unless you're vaxed and double masked!!!!!


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Eurocat
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Well since voluntary didn't work, let's try mandates.

But things are going in the right direction already thank God.

This is for just ONE dose, the two dose numbers are lower, I see that, I couldn't get them to cut and past for some reason but you can just scroll down -

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

This is from the Mayo institute.

U.S. COVID-19 vaccine rates by age with at least one dose.
12-17 - 57.6%
18-24 - 64.7%
25-39 - 67.9%
40-49 - 76.3%
50-64 - 83.6%
65-74 - 97.5%
75-99 - 92.0%
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DMAN1968
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extremely effective vaccine




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Uncle Stu
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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let's try mandates


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Eurocat


Fascist


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Dday63
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
To measure the effectiveness of a vaccine, you have to compare infections by the unvaccinated. I'm not arguing for the vaccine, I'm just saying those allegedly alarming numbers are incomplete.

When Big Pharma claims their vaccine is 90% effective, they mean it reduces your chances of infection by 90%. So, of you had a 10% chance of getting infected (based on your health, occupation, lifestyle, etc.), then the vaccine should lower your odds to 1%. If you had a 50% chance then your odds would be lowered to 5%

There has to be a comparison to an unvaccinated group to determine their odds of infection. Then you compare the vaccinated group.

You also have to compare hospitalizations and deaths, since that shows the ability of immune systems to fight off an infection.

I don't think the vaccines are truly 90% effective, but your quoted data is insufficient to claim the vaccines don't work.

I do not believe the vaccines are 90% effective, but you can't just say they


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keks tadpole
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
It’s not a vaccine. It’s a flu shot utilizing experimental mRNA science.


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Auburn80
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Your headline is misleading. This is about breakthrough infections of people who have substance abuse problems. That’s why it was in a Psychiatry journal. Has nothing to do with non abusers who got the vaccine.


Bulldogblitz
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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So this breaking news chart is about how an extremely effective vaccine is still extremely effective in cases which may or may not be Covid


I love it...now it's "may or may not be covid", last year, every headache, sneeze, bad mood was covid. Gotta keep your narrative running any way possible.


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FredBear
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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Well since voluntary didn't work, let's try mandates.




Under no circumstances will they be injecting me with that bull shite. You cult frickers need to accept that fact


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G The Tiger Fan
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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Well since voluntary didn't work, let's try mandates.
When the mandates don't work, are you gonna support the camps? Don't answer that. You're a disgusting Communist so I already know the answer.


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the808bass
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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The only studies that show anything like 80 or 90 percent protection after a few months are those the companies have funded.


When some whistleblower comes forward in the years to come, I hope Pfizer has to repay the government for the billions of dollars it defrauded them.


the808bass
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Plus did you read where it said Amobng 3410 total cases of SUSPECTED BUT UNCOMFIRMED Covid-19 cases...


That’s in the Pfizer study. You stupid dumbfrick.

Pfizer hid 3400 suspected cases of Covid in the FDA briefing and didn’t even put them in the study notes.

Keep in mind that the number of documented Covid cases in that same trial was ......

Drum roll


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170.

Not a typo. 162 in the placebo, 8 in the vaccinated.

If you included the suspected cases of Covid to those numbers, vaccine efficacy drops well under 50% and there’s no FDA approval.

Let all that sink in and think if you’re really on the side of science. Or if you’re really just on the side of marketing.


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Chet Donnely
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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let's try mandates.


Try fricking yourself with a spike.


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Bass Tiger
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re: All you need to know about vaccine failure - in the US - in one incredible chart.
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All the charts and studies in the world mean nothing. Any honest mind knows the China Virus is a hoax and the "vaccination" is anything but a vaccination.

This is a Communist/Marxist take over of our country under the guise of a pandemic. It is not about health or science.


The question that needs to be answered is….,

Why are tens of millions of Americans allowing the authoritarian Marxists to exert their will on society?


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