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re: All You Had To Do Was Critically Investigate 911 And None Of This Would Be Happening

Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:57 am to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:57 am to
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And being this evasive and coy is indicative of nonsense.

Go ahead and put forth your proposition and let’s discuss it.

So far you have on a bright red clown nose and you’re asking us to disprove it.




Do /\ THIS /\ or shut the hell up

eta: (regardless of which side to the issue you fall)
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 11:00 am
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:02 am to
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Hannity/Colmes 7/10/06 - 911


Posted by Aggie1965
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:03 am to
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Add in that’s B-52 colliding with into the Empire State Building’s caused no such reaction

No B-52 crashed into the ESB. A B-25 crashed into it on a foggy summer morning in 1945. To paraphrase Ms. Vito in My Cousin Vinny “There is no way you could confuse a B-52 with a B-25”. The buildings were built entirely different with weight bearing on the outer walls in the WTC.
After reading these 4 pages of posts, I believe my friend has always been right. The intelligence of the universe has been constant but the population continues to increase.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted by caleb07
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:07 am to
HaHaHa. You are so full of shite.
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:17 am to
In 1987 I stood on the 92 floor, (I believe), that had been cleared of all interior walls, for Asbestos abatement. I was shocked at the view. I could see clearly all around, because other than the elevator shafts, there seemed to be nothing to hold it up. That is when it was brought to my attention that the "Outer Skin" was the support.

Interwoven steel beams that were designed to survive just such an "accident" from a commercial airliner.

The few beams on the inside were caked with a thick layer of sprayed on asbestos, for fire retardance.
Posted by allrightX3
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:23 am to
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That is when it was brought to my attention that the "Outer Skin" was the support.

Interwoven steel beams that were designed to survive just such an "accident" from a commercial airliner.



This architectural fact makes it even more impossible for the nose of one of the planes to puncture one side of the tower and emerge intact out the other end of the building.
Posted by allrightX3
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:26 am to
It's perfectly okay to take the information in the OP meme and go no further than not accepting that a piece of paper could withstand an airplane explosion and skyscraper collapse and end up unscathed on the sidewalk.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:27 am to
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Kind of the same way they said WTC 7 had collapsed before it even did. Tell me again how it collapsed when it wasn't even hit?

Did an airplane hit that Florida condominium that collapsed? If the ground shakes hard enough ANY building will collapse. I’m not sure what happened with WTC7, but if two million story building collapsed next to it I would not be surprised if it also collapsed.

Those engines in the OP would fly into a million pieces. I would not expect them to be found unless the site demolition was a forensic one. And I would not expect a forensic site investigation because it would be prohibitively expensive and we already knew what happened.
Posted by allrightX3
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:32 am to
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I’m not sure what happened with WTC7, but if two million story building collapsed next to it I would not be surprised if it also collapsed.


Analyzing the collapse should be obvious but with cognitive dissonance people who don't want to see the assistance in the collapse won't.

That's why I prefer to focus WTC7 discussion on what was inside the building and how it correlates to what was inside the destroyed budget analyst office at the Pentagon which was directly hit on 911.


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Those engines in the OP would fly into a million pieces.


Yet a pamphlet of paper survived the massive explosion on impact and subsequent skyscraper collapse, landing on the sidewalk without a scratch.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:56 am to
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Yet a pamphlet of paper survived the massive explosion on impact and subsequent skyscraper collapse, landing on the sidewalk without a scratch.


Not only did it survive in near perfect condition, it just happened to belong to one of 5 supposed hijackers on board.It just happened to be found on the sidewalk and turned it. That's a magic passport right there.

There has been ZERO video shown of any of the alleged hijackers boarding the planes (going through security) in Boston, Newark, and DC.Don't you think if they had it they would be showing us??? Zero. There was that likely fake video of Atta and friend boarding the plane in Portland ME to get to Boston to get on the plane to hijack which is also weird. The day before he rented a car in BOSTON, drove to Portland ME spent the night and then FLEW back to Boston, nearly missing his flight. (and if that flight had been late or cancelled, he would've missed the 9/11 flight out of Boston--does that sound like logical planning for such a feat?)

Not one video of a plane hitting the Pentagon. All local video from businesses in area was confiscated and never seen again. Some people did see a plane go over but maybe a missile hit the Pentagon and the plane pulled up and flew past (part of the plan) Why didn't the ground to air missiles that are there to protect the Pentagon engage? The book I mentioned in earlier post goes into great detail about that question/answer.

There just happened to be a record number of simultaneous war games going on that day with a hijacking scenario which confused some air traffic controllers at first, as they thought it was part of the war game simulation.

If you really do some deep research you will come to the conclusion that it couldn't have happened the way they said it did. I believed every word of the government story for years....until I started to LEARN more.

The Dancing Israelis story (they worked for an Israeli "moving company" in NJ is quite interesting...and they were quietly released from custody and sent back to Israel after 2 months in jail. Lots to read about that situation and also the art students who lived in the same neighborhoods as the hijackers..

It's a fascinating topic and we will likely NEVER get the truth from the government. But I believe I now know the truth even if it is never admitted.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:07 pm to
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Photoshop



OK that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. There is 100% proof planes flew into the buildings involved. That part is not and cannot be disputed. I know people who were in our Manhattan office and watched the second plane's impact.

Now, whether it was an "inside" job or not or what the circumstances around the attackers were is another story.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:09 pm to
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Go ahead and put forth your proposition and let’s discuss it.
Do /\ THIS /\ or shut the hell up


Here is my proposition — though by any objective standard this seems is as much an observable reality as a proposition:

From the Church Committee through Iran-Contra and 9/11, the intermittent “bipartisan” investigations into the repeatedly revealed failings (if not outright crimes) of our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus inevitably turns into an orchestrated production of political theater in which some small and slight degree of political recrimination is the only serious penalty levied.

Yet the real purposes of such investigations is to allow the corrupted elements in these agencies to cover their tracks and allow business to continue as always.

Look no further than Benghazi: the endless investigations and counter-investigations into that weapons running scheme was but a never-ending carnival maze of mirrors in which the foundational corruption of our nation’s national security apparatus was largely allowed to continue as before.

Nothing changes until the entire edifice of the Deep State is toppled and razed.

The problem here is the UniParty® — as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Deep State — exists solely to prevent that from happening.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted by allrightX3
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:12 pm to
All great stuff.

I think any point of sharing things online on this topic would be to help nudge people in the direction that encourages them to take their own journey of investigation for the purpose of overall enlightenment on their surroundings.

A main problem with 911 truth, aside from the heavy disinformation and intentional slide topics, is there's simply TOO MUCH evidence in TOO MANY directions for people to piece together all at once.

I like to try to keep things super simple. Super isolated. I find it helps beginners take their first steps in a more digestible way with their own desire to learn instead of being in a defensive state pushing back against too much content.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:14 pm to
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OK that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.




I’ll venture a guess that the ‘photoshop’ comment was posted tongue-in-cheek.

Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2469 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:24 pm to
Yes there is NO doubt planes hit the twin towers. I have a family member who was there and witnessed it from the sidewalk. I'm not 100% convinced about the pentagon though.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39878 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:40 pm to
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Did an airplane hit that Florida condominium that collapsed? If the ground shakes hard enough ANY building will collapse. I’m not sure what happened with WTC7, but if two million story building collapsed next to it I would not be surprised if it also collapsed.


This is a really poor analogy. FWIW, my family is in large scale construction (skyscrapers) all over the world (for decades no less). My take...the collapse of WTC7 doesn’t make sense given the circumstances...at all.

As for the rest of it, there seems to be plausible explanations for people to build theories around in a number of directions. Logical...no, plausible, why not. A seed of truth is all that is needed for a theory to grow (conspiracy or otherwise). I have no clue what happened other than what I witnessed on tv. As such, I’ll stay away from the rest of the discussion.
Posted by allrightX3
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:49 pm to
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I have no clue what happened other than what I witnessed on tv. As such, I’ll stay away from the rest of the discussion.


And this is a problem, in my opinion.

And it's why the manner of the collapse of WTC7 should be pushed aside in favor of discussing what was inside the building and how that correlates to what was inside the budge analyst office that was destroyed with a direct hit at the Pentagon.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:15 pm to
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It's perfectly okay to take the information in the OP meme and go no further than not accepting that a piece of paper could withstand an airplane explosion and skyscraper collapse and end up unscathed on the sidewalk.




The issue of how the passport survived unscathed after such a fiery collision begs the question: who allowed these Saudi nationals to be issued visas to enter into the United States in the first place?

The head of the American Visa Bureau in Saudi Arabia has claimed that during the Soviet–Afghan War in the 1980s, he was instructed to allow unqualified applicants entry into the United States — presumably to be trained as Mujahideen by the CIA.

Transcript: BBC Newsnight | 11/06/2001 | Has someone been sitting on the FBI?

[GREG] PALAST: [HOST]

Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis.

….The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman.

MICHAEL SPRINGMAN:

In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country.

I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence.

PALAST:

By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game".

SPRINGMAN:

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets.

The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years later, in which 19 Americans died.

FBI agents began to feel their investigation was being obstructed. Would you be surprised to find out that FBI agents are a bit frustrated that they can't be looking into some Saudi connections?

MICHAEL WILDES:

I would never be surprised with that. They're cut off at the hip sometimes by supervisors or given shots that are being called from Washington at the highest levels…..
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:18 pm to
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And it's why the manner of the collapse of WTC7 should be pushed aside in favor of discussing what was inside the building and how that correlates to what was inside the budge analyst office that was destroyed with a direct hit at the Pentagon.




VIDEO LINK: September 10 2001 | Rumsfeld Announces Investigation Into A $2.3 Trillion Discrepancy Revealed By A Pentagon Audit….

Posted by allrightX3
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Member since Jul 2021
140 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:19 pm to
Good details.

But I don't think those layers help people who aren't already internally motivated to find out what happened that day.

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