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Air Force Effectively Admits F-35 Multitask Fighter Is A Flop....
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:10 pm
F-35 Failure: The Air Force Wants a Different Replacement for Its Aging F-16 Jet Fighters....
This follows Germany’s rejection of this massive boondoggle last year:
Germany Doesn't Want the F-35 Stealth Fighter....
This is the most expensive weapon in the history of mankind and it proves once and for all that pigs — in the form of Pentagon Pork — do indeed fly. It also proves we have repeatedly been sold a bill goods by the Defense Industry and the MSM (am I being redundant?) over the plane’s development for the past 20 or so years:
Journalism Is Dead: All the Sources in Stealth Jet Story Are PAID to Praise the Plane | The only people ‘60 Minutes’ bothered to ask about a HUGE government program are—wait for it—government employees....
This follows Germany’s rejection of this massive boondoggle last year:
Germany Doesn't Want the F-35 Stealth Fighter....
This is the most expensive weapon in the history of mankind and it proves once and for all that pigs — in the form of Pentagon Pork — do indeed fly. It also proves we have repeatedly been sold a bill goods by the Defense Industry and the MSM (am I being redundant?) over the plane’s development for the past 20 or so years:
Journalism Is Dead: All the Sources in Stealth Jet Story Are PAID to Praise the Plane | The only people ‘60 Minutes’ bothered to ask about a HUGE government program are—wait for it—government employees....
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 10:12 pm
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:22 pm to Toomer Deplorable
If we didn't live in a clown world heads would roll in government over the tax dollars squandered on the F-35 project.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:27 pm to Toomer Deplorable
And of course, look who these pieces of shite are blaming it on.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:29 pm to JackieTreehorn
Funny thing was Trump actually got the price of the plane to drop 20%.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:37 pm to Toomer Deplorable
To call the F-35 program a disaster is generous and also an insult to disasters
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:38 pm to Kino74
And Obama was the jackass that cancelled the F-22; a far more superior fighter jet. In today’s world do we really even need a stealth strike fighter?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:44 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The USAF said they didn’t need or want new F 15s.
The MIC neocon Mattis said yes you do, you’re buying them.
Oh well, at least it’s a bargain right?
But wait...
Wait, what?
Procurement Costs
F-35A: $89.2M, $80M per plane
2018 (actual) 2025 (projected) Lot 11 price. Contracts stipulate maximum cost of $80 million per plane by 2020.
F-15EX: $98.3M, $80.3M per plane
2019 (proposed) 2025 (projected) Estimate for the first 80 aircraft under a $7.865 billion, five-year proposal, Average price projected to be $89.7 million per aircraft for the duration of the buy.
How many Congressmen, bureaucrats, secretaries, etc are getting kickbacks from this, and how much?
I bet it’s staggering and would make you sick.
USAF Mag
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While the Air Force has maintained since 2001 that it will not buy any “new old” fighters, and that it needs to transition as quickly as possible to an all-5th-gen force
The MIC neocon Mattis said yes you do, you’re buying them.
Oh well, at least it’s a bargain right?
quote:
The F-15EX, USAF argues, is essentially an in-production aircraft. It has upward of 70 percent parts commonality with the F-15C and E already in USAF service and can use almost all the same ground equipment, hangars, simulators and other support gear as the Eagles now in service.
quote:
Instead, the F-15EX requires almost no new development, would be able to execute a test program very quickly, and requires minimal additional development.
But wait...
quote:
At a unit price roughly comparable to that of the F-35, F-15 squadrons could transition to the F-15EX in a matter of weeks
Wait, what?
Procurement Costs
F-35A: $89.2M, $80M per plane
2018 (actual) 2025 (projected) Lot 11 price. Contracts stipulate maximum cost of $80 million per plane by 2020.
F-15EX: $98.3M, $80.3M per plane
2019 (proposed) 2025 (projected) Estimate for the first 80 aircraft under a $7.865 billion, five-year proposal, Average price projected to be $89.7 million per aircraft for the duration of the buy.
How many Congressmen, bureaucrats, secretaries, etc are getting kickbacks from this, and how much?
I bet it’s staggering and would make you sick.
USAF Mag
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:52 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Hey look, more hyperbole from the media. The F-35 isn't a failure, it's simply another example of the issue with trying to merge too many uses on a single platform. Overall it is the most capable fighter in the world, but its never going to be the best at any one particular role. Despite being nearly 20 years older the F22 far exceeds the F35 in air superiority, but it is far less capable at coordinating, precision bombing, infiltrating areas of denial, etc.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:05 pm to LuckyTiger
Why not take another look? Some say it was better than the F22. Word is trying to build more F22's would be a nightmare because the tooling has been lost, and other reasons.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:53 pm to antibarner
quote:
Why not take another look? Some say it was better than the F22. Word is trying to build more F22's would be a nightmare because the tooling has been lost, and other reasons.
EO Joe will have our friends in China build our new tactical fighter.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:55 pm to Toomer Deplorable
They should have expanded F-22 capabilities.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:58 pm to Toomer Deplorable
F-22 is a fricking beast. We need more.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:59 pm to Toomer Deplorable
High price tag, but the Raptor is still king. Also I saw on YouTube the 23 was though by some to be a better plane but right people wanted the 22.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:38 am to Toomer Deplorable
They need to give Elon musk a couple of billion dollars to see what he can do.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:48 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:I've been railing against this shite for years. It's quite likely the single biggest boondoggle in the history of the nation. You know it was bad when Bernie found a way to speak positively of it due to the amount of pork thrown fricking VERMONT'S WAY.
A not too kind assessment of the F-35 program.
The usual response on this board was to bootlick the military.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:49 am to JackieTreehorn
quote:I mean, he did love to talk about it. I wish he had railed against it. But the idea that he was even 1% responsible for the program is sheer lunacy. I think he did in fact negotiate a lower price (that's still just pissing into the wind.)
And of course, look who these pieces of shite are blaming it on.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:51 am to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:36 am to Toomer Deplorable
People on this board have been shitting on this aircraft for years.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:50 am to udtiger
This is an excellent aircraft. Every aircraft US history had had issues and actually the F-35 has had significantly less. Look up stats and facts before you clowns want to revive 1970s technology. People who want an updated F-15 or F-16 needed to be beaten with a bat
Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:22 am to JackieTreehorn
quote:
And of course, look who these pieces of shite are blaming it on.
But of course.
Trump targets F-35, but aircraft means jobs in 45 states....
NEW YORK — President-elect Donald Trump is vowing to corral the "out of control" cost of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. But congressional Republicans and Democrats, aware of the tens of thousands of jobs the aircraft generates in 45 states, will be wary of any plans by Trump to cut the program.
A Monday morning tweet from Trump targeting the F-35 doesn't explain exactly how he'll save billions of dollars in military purchases while also honoring a campaign vow to rebuild the armed forces. Once Trump is in office, he can propose deep cuts to the F-35 or even elect to cancel the program altogether. But Congress, not the president, controls the government's purse strings and makes the final decisions about the budget.
Built by defense giant Lockheed Martin, the nearly $400 billion price tag for the F-35 makes the program the Pentagon's most expensive weapons acquisition ever. Despite the huge cost, the program has strong bipartisan support in Congress, where lawmakers view the aircraft as essential to national security....
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