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re: Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:57 am to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:57 am to Green Chili Tiger
You didn’t read the rest of his post
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:57 am to Wolfhound45
quote:
Done. He raised the shotgun up as Arbery was running towards him.
Depends on the audio.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:59 am to tigerfoot
quote:
If I was doing nothing wrong and a group of folks started pursuing me w guns I may make an odd decision or two.
its fight or flight
id rather go out fighting then go out on my knees
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:59 am to Turbeauxdog
No doubt, it does exist, but one effects this statutorily allowed action at his or her own risk. I feel certain that this was absolutely not the outcome that they intended, but it's now the unfortunate outcome they have to answer for, i.e. defend.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:06 am to arcalades
Replying to your post to reply to the other apologists: none of that matters.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:07 am to CDawson
quote:He was on a peninsula. Hemmed in on three sides by a river. The only exit is Satilla Drive (the way he came in)
Of all the directions he could have run, I still have yet to figure out why he chose that route.
The shooting occurs at the intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Road. He had already run down Satilla Drive to Burford Road, been cut off and doubled back to Holmes and turned right onto Holmes and been cut off and doubled back again. He was running back down to Satilla Drive when he was cut off again and the fatal encounter occurred.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:09 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:that's when you run 50 yards towards it and then try to take it away from the guy pointing it at you, assuming you want to be dead
Completely irrelevant when you’re the one with the gun pointed at you.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:09 am to Aristo
quote:The video shows him raising it up as he steps out of the truck and sets his feet. I do not need any audio. I can see it with my own eyes.
Depends on the audio.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:16 am to rebeloke
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but you don’t charge a dude with a gun who is trying to make a citizen’s arrest.
Retard of the day award goes to...rebeloke!
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:17 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:Glynn County Police Department Incident Report
...but we don’t know what they did or didn’t see.
quote:
Offense(s)
Reported: -
Offense: HOMI - Homicide
Offense: CTPA - Criminal Trespass
Observed: HOMI - Homicide
quote:McMichaels did not see the actual criminal trespass (misdemeanor). He saw the suspect from the previous videos. And the question is, who showed him those videos? Not the property owner.
NarrativeSubject: Shots fired Officer: J. Brandeberry #128
Date: 02/23/2020
Report:
On Sunday, February 23, 2020 I responded to the intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Drive in reference to shots fired. While in route I was advised there were shots fired and a male on the ground "bleeding out". A short time later I was advised the male on the ground was deceased.
Upon my arrival I observed Officer Minshew (184) setting up a perimeter. I began speaking with Gregory McMichael who was a witness to the incident. McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling arse" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis (McMichael) and said, "Travis the guy is running down the street lets go". McMichael stated he went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357 Magnum and Travis grabbed his shotgun because they "didn't know if the male was armed or not". McMichael stated, "the other night" they saw the same male and he stuck his hand down his pants which lead them to believe the male was armed.
McMichael stated he and Travis got in the truck and drove down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated when they arrived at the intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Drive, they saw the unidentified male running down Burford drive. McMichael then stated Travis drive down Burford and attempted to cut off the male. McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and "Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful. McMichael stated he then jumped into the bed of the truck and he and Travis continued to Holmes in an attempt to intercept him.
McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted "stop, stop, we want to talk to you". McMichael stated they pulled up beside the male and shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun. McMichael stated the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot. McMichael stated the male fell face down on the pavement with his hand under his body. McMichael stated he rolled the man over to see if the male had a weapon.
No the answer is going to be Officer Robert Rash of the Glynn County Police Department. And that is going to open up a whole other can of worms.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:18 am to Wolfhound45
I think he was actually on Holmes headed south.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:19 am to tigerfoot
quote:
These guys wanted to intimidate a guy and pushed too far.
i've seen this sentiment echoed a few times. the cops were en route, and the mcmichaels' goal was to keep arbery from getting away ("again", in their estimation) before the cops arrived. i don't know where you're getting this "let's go scare this kid and teach him a lesson" angle. no evidence to support that, and there is evidence against it.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:20 am to narddogg81
quote:
that's when you run 50 yards towards it
It's like a fish tale....that distance keeps growing and growing.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:20 am to LuckyTiger
"I’ve been consistent and will restate what I’ve said numerous times on this case. Each time I’ve argued that the case will turn on whether or not the gun was pointed at the deceased prior to him charging the defendant and I’ve gone through the process either way from a legal perspective. Now it’s clear to me that the defendant pointed his gun at the deceased.
You cannot do that.
At that point, the defendant is guilty of aggravated assault and the defendant is justified in using self defense, including charging and grabbing the defendant’s gun. With the resultant outcome of that exchange, the defendant is guilty of homicide."
I think I agree with this, although I have not been able to see the shotgun pointed at Arbery (not saying it didn't happen but would you agree it's not easy to see?).
In the absence of a pointed gun, the case for the defense gets better, but I still haven't heard a great explanation of how and to what degree the citizen's arrest statute will impact matters.
Last thought: have you seen anyone breakdown whether the McMichaels were committing a crime such as kidnapping before the shooting? Probably intertwined with the citizens arrest angle. The angle I am considering is felony murder vs. the possibility of manslaughter or even self defense-based acquittal. a premeditated slaying seems hard to prove on these facts.
You cannot do that.
At that point, the defendant is guilty of aggravated assault and the defendant is justified in using self defense, including charging and grabbing the defendant’s gun. With the resultant outcome of that exchange, the defendant is guilty of homicide."
I think I agree with this, although I have not been able to see the shotgun pointed at Arbery (not saying it didn't happen but would you agree it's not easy to see?).
In the absence of a pointed gun, the case for the defense gets better, but I still haven't heard a great explanation of how and to what degree the citizen's arrest statute will impact matters.
Last thought: have you seen anyone breakdown whether the McMichaels were committing a crime such as kidnapping before the shooting? Probably intertwined with the citizens arrest angle. The angle I am considering is felony murder vs. the possibility of manslaughter or even self defense-based acquittal. a premeditated slaying seems hard to prove on these facts.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:21 am to NC_Tigah
quote:well, this I'm sure isn't going to be slanted
The NYTimes has reconstructed the 12 minutes before Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead in Georgia on Feb. 23.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:21 am to davyjones
quote:
but one effects this statutorily allowed action at his or her own risk
This of course makes no sense. The implication of this position is if I tell someone I’d like to detain them under citizens arrest until the police arrive, I would be, for example, required to allow them to bludgeon me to death, because if I defend my life with force, I go to jail.
I wouldn’t be surprised a “judge” has offered that opinion, but that makes it no less retarded, and hopefully it would be immediately overruled by a more competent jurist when the opportunity arrives.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:21 am to yesyesyall
quote:
the cops were en route, and the mcmichaels' goal was to keep arbery from getting away
If all they wanted to do was keep him from getting away, they could’ve kept following him. Police were only a few minutes away.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:22 am to the808bass
quote:Correct. That is what I am saying. He turned right onto Holmes from Burford, was cut off again (the second time), doubled back and was running towards Satilla when the fatal encounter happened just north of Satilla and Holmes.
I think he was actually on Holmes headed south.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:23 am to Wolfhound45
What’s your point?
Are we now deciding a police report is conclusive ?
Are we now deciding a police report is conclusive ?
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:23 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:
The implication of this position is if I tell someone I’d like to detain them under citizens arrest until the police arrive, I would be, for example, required to allow them to bludgeon me to death, because if I defend my life with force, I go to jail.
That’s a fair point. But you cannot initiate the fight or the threat of one and also finish it. Then citizens arrest becomes the Rosetta Stone, allowing you to do anything. Initiate force without provocation and when receiving violence back, defend yourself.
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