re: Ahmaud Arbery Timbaliers and Hammer

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Is there the first shred of evidence that a shotgun was pointed at him before he attacked?

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Does it have to be pointed at you to be considered a threat? Come on now.

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It’s not a crime to do both at the same time.

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It can be, and the GBI agrees that it is in this situation. The police officers who investigated the scene also believed it to be a crime. Sorry.

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Actually this "charge in fricking high school" was not Arbery's first rodeo. He (including his family) have a history of criminal activity. Apparently they are well known to local law enforcement. Arbery was a career criminal. Facts are stubborn things. Okay bring on the that has nothing to do with this incident.

Excuse me I'm looking at the same video you're looking at and I don't see where Travis McMichael "raised" that weapon at Arbery. But I do see Arbery charging Travis McMichael and the force of that violent charge pushes McMichael back. So if your assumption that Travis McMichael had that weapon "raised" at Arbery........he certainly had the chance to discharge that weapon the moment Arbery's assault hits him. But McMichael DID NOT shoot. I believe Travis showed restraint, because all they (father and son) intended to do was detain Arbery until the police arrived. Arbery on his part was attempting to flee.

On the video we see a Travis scuffle with Arbery, at which point Arbery grabs the barrel of that shotgun and strikes McMichael at least twice. In the scuffle the weapon discharges and kills Arbery. Clear case of self-defense in response to a violent assault by Arbery.

.....and one more thing, stop with the "you'd better be the best lawyer in jurisprudence" bullshite. Are you a criminal lawyer? The jury will decide based on evidence. Fortunately that third man filmed the incident. Incidently the civil rights lawyer hired by Arbery's father is demanding that the guy filming this confrontation be arrested. I can understand, those videos just blew his chance for a quicky conviction.

Those videos don't lie.

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The video doesn't lie, you keep talking about the point in the video where we see Arbery trying to take the gun away as if its where the video begins, its not.

Tell me how Travis got from the drivers side door to in front of the truck moving bacwards from the passenger side or middle of the truck when the video picks back up, it was in fact Arbery who tried to avoid contact and Travis moved toward it. Irrefutable.

Also, I'll let the experts who will testify clear this up, but Ahmud appears to already have blood on him when he reemerges, as you say lunging for Travis. Its a fact, according to the police report that 3 shots were fired yet we only see two discharges after the video refocuses on the struggle...

Is it possible that Travis, who clearly was the aggressor in moving toward Arbery had already fired once and by the time we see the video again, Arbery is already fighting for his life??

Watch the whole fricking video and be reasonable...

There is NO justification for what the McDumbasses did, none, zero, fricking zilch

I think the “boots” seen in the shootout vid is a product of a blown up still frame of a grainy video. He doesn’t have boots on

GBI can agree and police can believe all they want. Regardless how the situation began, dude tried to grab a shotgun. There’s no question it was a deadly force encounter at that point and only speculation that arbery had any reasonable fear before he went for the gun. As it comes out that he knew the father from the investigation of his 2018 shoplifting, he knew he was identified for his third offense and would be going away. Plenty of reasonable doubt.

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GBI can agree and police can believe all they want. Regardless how the situation began, dude tried to grab a shotgun.

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Which was likely a legal action given the facts we know in this case.

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Is there the first shred of evidence that a shotgun was pointed at him before he attacked?

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Yea, the fact that the first shot is fired the second Arbery goes toward him and by the time you see the two men engaged in the struggle Arbery is already bleeding then two more shots go off...

There is NO fricking way a self defense argument works for this clown. He's going away for murder one baw, book it.

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You’re right they can’t legally defend themselves in that instance because they are committing an aggravated assault. This is why it is a good idea not to assault people with deadly weapons. You give up your ability to defend yourself if you do.

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But brah!

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Bless your heart, saying some words to initiate an “illegal citizens arrest” means that they have to allow the shotgun to be taken and cannot defend themselves in a deadly force encounter

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Bless your heart thats not what what i said an illegal citizens arrest is at all.

It means they had no right to try a citizens arrest, given they had no knowledge of a currently occurring felony. According to the mcmichaels he thought someone running was suspicious given the recent break ins in the area so he went to confront them. Add the fact that there was no felony being investigated to begin with, it was a misdemeanor.

It means they were the aggressors in the situation, not Arbery. Arbery was defending himself from the duo, not the other way around.