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re: Ahmaud Arbery had a history of claiming to be a jogger to cover for criminal activities.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:26 am to L.A.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:26 am to L.A.
It doesn’t matter.
Those men had no right to kill him.
That should be obvious. If not, then you are just as crazy as leftist calling to ban beef.
Equally insane
Those men had no right to kill him.
That should be obvious. If not, then you are just as crazy as leftist calling to ban beef.
Equally insane
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Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:27 am to the808bass
I just watched the video again. Arbery takes a wide path around the front of the truck so he can charge the guy with the shotgun. When you see them again mcmichael is backing up as arbery is pushing forward and they both have their hands on the gun.
Is that not what happened?
Is that not what happened?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:36 am to WaWaWeeWa
McMichaels has already pointed the gun at him by then. There is a story out there, unconfirmed as far as I can tell, that they had already hit him with their vehicle by this point.
McMichaels can’t claim self-defense at this point. Not from my layperson viewpoint anyway.
McMichaels can’t claim self-defense at this point. Not from my layperson viewpoint anyway.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:40 am to the808bass
Yeah, they’re definitely gonna fry
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:43 am to L.A.
I don't disagree that he was a scumbag. However, we can't have civilians trying to round people up with guns because they suspect them of crimes. It shouldn't be hard to see how that could go very wrong.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:44 am to the808bass
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McMichaels has already pointed the gun at him by then
In the main video? Can you post a link and time stamp
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There is a story out there, unconfirmed as far as I can tell, that they had already hit him with their vehicle by this point.
If true it would change my opinion. But you are saying it’s speculation?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:52 am to Roger Klarvin
Ultimately, I think it’s irrelevant if Arbery charged him.
I think it comes down to if they had the right to detain him. If they did, then Arbery doesn’t have the right to charge a man with a gun who is within his legal rights.
If they didn’t have a right to detain him, then Arbery has a right to defend himself against people who are for all he knows trying to kidnap him.
I don’t know the citizen arrest laws but I would be surprised if the Mcmichaels were correct here. I don’t think they had a right to detain him therefore I would say they are guilty.
I think it comes down to if they had the right to detain him. If they did, then Arbery doesn’t have the right to charge a man with a gun who is within his legal rights.
If they didn’t have a right to detain him, then Arbery has a right to defend himself against people who are for all he knows trying to kidnap him.
I don’t know the citizen arrest laws but I would be surprised if the Mcmichaels were correct here. I don’t think they had a right to detain him therefore I would say they are guilty.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:13 am to the808bass
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There is a story out there, unconfirmed as far as I can tell, that they had already hit him with their vehicle by this point.
It is confirmed.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 4:25 pm to NC_Tigah
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In your Fairy Tale, did Arbery steal something that day?
In reality, he trespassed, his intent to steal (a felony) , or to admire delayed low budget construction ( a misdemeanor) is open for debate. Where you landing?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 4:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
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In reality, he trespassed, his intent to steal (a felony) , or to admire delayed low budget construction ( a misdemeanor) is open for debate.
In between those options is stopping to get water, which prior videos apparently showed he did in the past without stealing anything from the site.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 4:54 pm to Turbeauxdog
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his intent to steal
He didn’t steal anything that day. He wouldn’t have been charged with intent to steal. You can wish he would’ve. He would not have.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:11 pm to the808bass
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He didn’t steal anything that day. He wouldn’t have been charged with intent to steal. You can wish he would’ve. He would not have.
Why would I wish one way or the other?
This was about nc's fairy tale.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:26 pm to the808bass
quote:
Someone slowed down the video and framed it so you could see these bits. In these frames of the GIF, it appears that the younger McMichaels has raised the gun and pointed it at Arbery before Arbery even starts up the right side of the truck.
I guess you could talk yourself into it
I think it’s irrelevant. Either they could detain him or not.
I’m not sure I understand the significance of pointing the gun. Are you saying that if you point a gun at someone, then they attack you, try take the gun, and get shot in the process... that it’s murder simply because you pointed the gun? Doesn’t seem like that’s correct
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’m not sure I understand the significance of pointing the gun.
Because that's a key aspect of the specific subsection of felony murder involved here. The specific subsection they'd go with does not involve intent to kill whatsoever. Rather, it requires that the defendant was engaged in felony criminal behavior during which the other person was killed. In this case that alleged felony criminal behavior on the part of junior is said to be "assault with a firearm"......which places junior's actions with the gun at the center of the entire thing.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:39 pm to davyjones
I understand that. But if they had a legal right to detain him how were they committing a felony?
Note: I’m not saying they had a right to detain him, I think the opposite it true. Just playing devils advocate if they somehow prove that.
Note: I’m not saying they had a right to detain him, I think the opposite it true. Just playing devils advocate if they somehow prove that.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:53 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Oh ok, well yeah then you're exactly correct about the right to detain or not being at the center of the criminal case....that question is intrinsically tied to the question of whether or not the leveling of the gun at Arbery was justified. If detainment was justified then leveling the gun was justified.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 5:56 pm to davyjones
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Oh ok, well yeah then you're exactly correct about the right to detain or not being at the center of the criminal case....that question is intrinsically tied to the question of whether or not the leveling of the gun at Arbery was justified. If detainment was justified then leveling the gun was justified.
Yes, this was my entire point
If they had a right to detain, then Arbery attacked and the shot was basically self defense.
If they didn’t have the right to detain then they are essentially trying to kidnap someone and they murdered him.
I can’t imagine they had a right to chase and detain someone who was on another person’s property, but I may be wrong.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If they had a right to detain, then Arbery attacked and the shot was basically self defense.
If they didn’t have the right to detain then they are essentially trying to kidnap someone and they murdered him.
I can’t imagine they had a right to chase and detain someone who was on another person’s property, but I may be wrong.
Yeah I think that's very well stated, and my thoughts exactly. I don't think the pursuers had sufficient "immediate" knowledge of a felony offense having been committed within their orbit (if I may) at the particular time in question. In fact no evidence of any felony offense by Arbery at all has been shown.
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