re: Ahmaud Arbery had a history of claiming to be a jogger to cover for criminal activities.

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Must be a lot of grey area.

I am walking down the street, I see a man walking behind me who is open-carrying, I perceive that as threat and thus can legally kill that person, in self-defense.

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I cannot decide whether you are a particularly-ineffective troll or what.

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What happened in the end is tragic, it escalated. but those two guys did not "stalk and kill" him.

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Agreed. “Chase and kill” is much more accurate.

“Stalk” implies stealth, and I would not be surprised if these guys were cranking banjo music at the top of the capacity if their sound system.

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None of this is in any way analogous to the Arbery case.

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Didn’t say it is. It is a discussion of self-defense laws spawned by self-defense issues of the Arbery case.

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None of this is in any way analogous to the Arbery case.

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Why? Because I am inquiring as to the law and offering up hypotheticals in order that I might better understand the law?

It never sat well with me when people said that McMichael open-carrying a weapon constituted deadly threat to Arbery giving him legal right to attack McMichael.

I don’t know that McM ever pointed the weapon at Arbery. I do know that McM was retreating when Arbery attacked him. The video evidences that.

Like I said, it is a fascinating case with many elements: self-defense, citizen arrest, open-carry, perceived deadly threat.

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they certainly didnt "stalk" him. they chased after him

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Huh?

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their only objective was to put an end to the recent burglaries by stopping whoever was responsible.

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So, video the man stealing, and call the authorities.

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They were on the phone with police-they wanted law enforcement to handle the situation.

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Then tote a phone. No reason to carry a gun. To me it looked like a stalking that ended in a killing because a couple of ignorant azzholes wanted to play cop.

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To me it looked like a stalking that ended in a killing because a couple of ignorant azzholes wanted to play cop.

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Not disagreeing with that. But some context there is that McMichael DID call 911 and leave it to police on a prior occasion involving Arbery but police arrived too late and Arbery got away.

So it is likely there was a sense that calling police doesn’t work, the thief flees before police arrive, and this time we aren’t going to allow that to happen.

None of that has any bearing on the legal case. But it does go toward their possible thinking behind their action that day and why they would not have just let police handle it. It isn’t that different from why Rittenhouse took it upon himself to patrol with a firearm. He’d seen police do nothing and his confidence in police was diminished by their failure to stop criminal activity.

Why is the onus always laid upon persons minding their own business instead of the persons who were engaged in perpetrating crimes?


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So him attacking the guy with the gun is murder? Sounds more like suicide by a dumbass POS with tough guy anger issues to me.

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Well, let's test the premise.

What if you were a Black man. You were out jogging. Suddenly, two cars occupied by KKK look-a-likes begin to slowly follow you. You change direction 2 or 3 times. They continue to follow. Finally they trap you between the two cars. A redneck with a shotgun exits the lead car and aims at you. At that stage you certainly could put you hands up, and give yourself over to this group Emmett Till style, or grovel on your hands and knees begging these Jethro's not to hurt you too bad ... is that what you'd do, TOSOV?

Arbery may have had every intention of stealing from the construction site. But there is no evidence he carried through with a theft. Is there?

Sans that, he was just a jogger who was curious about a new construction, and walked through the site.

No doubt Arbery was not an angel. But all the history of "jogging crimes" aside, is there anything police would have arrested him for in this instance? Would they arrest him for being curios about a new home construction site?

Once the McMichaels called the police, had Arbery on video, and had him in sight (apparently Gregory McMichael even knew his name), is there anything that justified their further actions?

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Kinda discredits the rest of your fairy tale.

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Does it?
In your Fairy Tale, did Arbery steal something that day?

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Why is the onus always laid upon persons minding their own business instead of the persons who were engaged in perpetrating crimes?

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Not sure I’d describe three cop wannabes who grabbed their weapons and careened through the neighborhood because they wrongly suspected a guy had stolen from a construction site as “minding their own business”.

Anything but. These arrogant azzholes made all gun owners look like fools. They broke the law and are gonna sit in prison for it. Like Chauvin, unforced error.