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re: Ahmaud Arbery had a history of claiming to be a jogger to cover for criminal activities.

Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:58 am to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:58 am to
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but they didn't immediately possess this knowledge


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So the question would be, could they reasonably believe so


Based on? I think it is sad what these two men are facing. However, they chose to intervene and there will assumably be consequences for decisions that were made and actions that were taken.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:59 am to
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Based on? I think it is sad what these two men are facing. However, they chose to intervene and there will assumably be consequences for decisions that were made and actions that were taken.


Dunno, I haven't kept up on any evidence coming out.
Posted by ChuckO1975
Member since Feb 2021
1292 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:00 am to
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In the past, I have seen Chuck make a number of posts indicative of both logic and reasonable intelligence.

I think he is LARPing in this thread


:shrugs:

It cuts both ways. You are also capable of logic and are clearly intelligent, but LARPing a libtard fantasy. It's the National Review lolbertarian syndrome and it successfully absorbed so many capable men.
Posted by ChuckO1975
Member since Feb 2021
1292 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:01 am to
I'm just gonna leave this Arbery thing alone from here on out. There is really nothing left to say, and the two sides are really never going to come go an agreement based on these conversations. It is what it is.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40143 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:13 am to
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Dunno, I haven't kept up on any evidence coming out.


Lmao like 3 pages ago you were confident the McMichaels had immediate knowledge of a felony committed by AA. Now you haven’t kept up with the evidence.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:13 am to
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they didn't immediately possess this knowledge
So the question would be, could they reasonably believe so
Let’s look at Senior’s own statement, as transcribed in the police report
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McMichael (Senior) stated there have been several Break - ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. (Senior) stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling arse" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. (Senior) stated he then ran inside his house and called to (Junior) and said "Travis the guy is running down the street lets go". McMichael stated he went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357 Magnum and (Junior) grabbed his shotgun because they " didn ' t know if the male was armed or not" . Michael stated " the other night" they saw the same male and he stuck his hand down his pants which lead them to believe the male was armed
So, no “immediate knowledge.”

Senior saw a guy running down the street and thought the guy looked like someone he saw in a video ... a video in which nothing was stolen, BTW.

Based upon THAT alone, they chased a man through the streets in their vehicles and then killed him.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
128986 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:14 am to
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a video in which nothing was stolen, BTW.


Not in the video. But things had been stolen
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:21 am to
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Not in the video. But things had been stolen
Very true. Some four months earlier and before the camera was installed.

Imagine a different house under construction on a different street.

Something gets stolen during the construction process, and the owner puts up a video camera. Several days later, he captures a video of Turbeaux and his wife wandering through to look at the bathroom layout.

A neighbor sees that video. Weeks later the neighbor (NOT the owner) sees Turbeaux jogging/running down the street.

Does he get to chase Turbeaux through the neighborhood while pointing guns at Turbeaux based upon his recollection of having seen that video weeks earlier? Does he get to shoot Turbeaux?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:35 am
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26304 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:28 am to
Don't want to take blame off of Arbery, but wonder where he would be if that cop would have arrested him in the first example after her threatened to beat his arse.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:30 am to
Also interesting is Senior’s description of the actual shooting, before he became aware of the video
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McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted " stop stop , we want to talk to you" . Michael stated they pulled up beside the male and shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun. McMichael stated the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24074 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:31 am to
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Lmao like 3 pages ago you were confident the McMichaels had immediate knowledge of a felony committed by AA. Now you haven’t kept up with the evidence.


That's not what I said.

Read again.

Also, quote it or run away to npr you lying trash heap
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:35 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40143 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:33 am to
Yea senior lied like a dog to the cops immediately after the shooting. He also left out the part where they had cornered him once before but AA escaped.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:34 am to
Yep and their dumbass friend documented the altercation. Without that their local police buddies let them walk.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40143 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:35 am to
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That's not what I said.

Read again.

Also, quote it or run away to npr you lying trash heap


You said it was “completely true” that the McMichaels had immediate knowledge of the trespass. They didn’t.


fricking hack


Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26812 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:36 am to
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Does he get to shoot Turbeaux based upon that video?


That didn't happen.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:42 am to
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That didn't happen.
Based upon Senior’s own statement to the investigating officer, that is EXACTLY what happened.

Now, assume that Turbeaux was a highly-successful thief of porcelain lavatory fixtures, but that the neighbor had ZERO knowledge of Turbeaux’ acquisitive past.

Is it NOW suddenly okay for this neighbor to shoot Turbeaux, based upon a coincidence of facts as to which the neighbor had NO knowledge?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:44 am
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24074 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:49 am to
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You said it was “completely true” that the McMichaels had immediate knowledge of the trespass. They didn’t.


fricking hack


Busted in a lie and lashing out.

Typical of trash.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24074 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:49 am to
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Is it NOW suddenly okay for this neighbor to shoot Turbeaux, based upon a coincidence of facts as to which the neighbor had NO knowledge?


Terrible analogy is terrible.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40143 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:52 am to
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Busted in a lie and lashing out.

Typical of trash.


You posted it. Are you drunk?
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24074 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:55 am to
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You posted it. Are you drunk?


No you're just a liar.
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