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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:10 am to
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:10 am to
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Telling NATO they are dead beats is more than Putin could’ve dreamt of. Not that Trump is wrong.......but no matter WHY.....pee tape or simply conviction of ideology....NATO under stress is a plus for Putin and Russia.

No, Trump hasn’t handed Putin the keys to the Lincoln Memorial......it don’t work that way....but he is the first president to suggest that the NATO alliance is anything other than equal and friendly and universally in lockstep. Again, more than Putin could’ve hoped for.

You are talking out your arse.

First of all, Trump has gotten NATO countries to spend MORE on their military and defense.

Only a fricking retard would suggest this is somehow a boon to Russia and Putin.

Second, Trump pointing out that NATO is lined with dead beats and they're all riding the coat tails of the US is overwhelming common knowledge. The only thing Putin did when Trump openly voiced his outrage was go, "shite, now NATO is going to spend more on defense and work harder to be more cohesive."

What an asinine attempt to spin this when it's very obviously the opposite of what you claim.


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Also Trump trade policy is good for Putin. Putin makes bank when there is chaos in the world......russia can get fricked but Putin gonna get his. Anything that causes chaos in the world and in the worlds police department....the US....is good for Putin.

Again, you are talking completely out of your arse.

The Russian stock exchange ( MICEX) was 2,337 in Feb, and it's 2,321 today. And it's been volatile as hell over that period. If you invested in MICEX on Feb. 18th 2018, you would be DOWN nearly 5% today.

That's 7 months smack in the meat of Trump's trade agenda.

Not to mention, the Russian Ruble value to the US dollar has LOST 20% in just the last 6 months, going from 0.175:1 to 0.140:1. Ruble:USD

The Russian economy is contracting and their inflation is rising.

60% of Russia's economy is based on their oil and NG exports, and even with crude oil reaching $77/barrel, they are still only going to hit ~1.6% GDP growth this year. Last year they had the same 1.6% GDP growth. And last year Crude averaged about $50/barrel.

How does oil go up around 50% in value and yet Russia's economy stay stagnant, their stock market drop, and the value of their currency plummet compared to the Dollar?

Here's a clue... Trump's sanctions, strengthening of the US economy, expansion of US oil and NG production and exports, and global trade policies are buttfricking Russia and Putin. That's why.

You have no clue WTF you're talking about.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 10:15 am
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16176 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:13 am to
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Think about what you are saying... Putin has “financial dirt”, presumably very damaging information, in your view, that escaped all republican opponents, all democratic opponents, and even the entire US government apparatus (IRS, FBI, etc.) during the 2016 election. 

If there was any such information, it would have come out long ago.


That's the truth. Trump can't even feed fish without our msm billing it as a national crisis.

If there was any evidence out there, that proves trump is in cahoots with Putin... we'd see wall2wall coverage of that shite.

For going on two years... all we've seen are hypotheticals.. msm reporting shite with a "maybe", "could be" , "possibly", or a "what if" in there. .. combined with endless panels filled with liberals pretending to not understand what hypotheticals are.. and speaking matter of factually.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:54 am to
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i.e. How does one get a loan after multiple billion dollar bankruptcies? Money Laundering for the Russian mob...


You’re an ignorant twit and a complete hack.

He’s had nearly 500 successful business ventures/projects, and 5 properties that he filed 4 Chapter-11 creditor restructurings on.

Several of those 5 properties were actually majority owned and managed by a 3rd party who used Trump’s brand name simply for the name recognition and affiliation. Trump was purely a minority investor.

In each of these properties, they lacked revenue generation, so they renegotiated/restructured the creditor terms, and instead of paying contractors and creditors off in the original time frame, they got paid over an extended period with additional interest.

On a couple of them, Trump sold his minority share at a loss and used those proceeds to pay off the contractors.

5 unsuccessful ventures out of nearly 500.

His net worth/asset valuation has gone from $41 million in the late 70’s, to upwards of $10 billion total valuation.

That’s an average of nearly 600% annual growth, and a business success rate of nearly 99%, and you think he’s had a problem with credit???

You, sir, are a special kind of stupid.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17447 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:59 am to
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I thought you'd be happy to learn that everyone can forget about the pee tape, because compared to the rest of the financial dirt that Putin has on Comrade Bonespurs, the pee tape is less than nothing


This post just goes to shop you are mentally incapable of looking at any situation or fact in an unbiased manner. I personally think that Trumps tweets are immature and unbecoming of his office. He could accomplish his same goals if he allowed someone to edit them. But I am also able to look at what he has accomplished, even with all the legally questionable resistance baked into the situation with Russian investigation and give him credit.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 9:48 pm to
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Again, you are talking completely out of your arse.

The Russian stock exchange ( MICEX) was 2,337 in Feb, and it's 2,321 today. And it's been volatile as hell over that period. If you invested in MICEX on Feb. 18th 2018, you would be DOWN nearly 5% today.

That's 7 months smack in the meat of Trump's trade agenda.

Not to mention, the Russian Ruble value to the US dollar has LOST 20% in just the last 6 months, going from 0.175:1 to 0.140:1. Ruble:USD

The Russian economy is contracting and their inflation is rising.

60% of Russia's economy is based on their oil and NG exports, and even with crude oil reaching $77/barrel, they are still only going to hit ~1.6% GDP growth this year. Last year they had the same 1.6% GDP growth. And last year Crude averaged about $50/barrel.

How does oil go up around 50% in value and yet Russia's economy stay stagnant, their stock market drop, and the value of their currency plummet compared to the Dollar?

Here's a clue... Trump's sanctions, strengthening of the US economy, expansion of US oil and NG production and exports, and global trade policies are buttfricking Russia and Putin. That's why.

You have no clue WTF you're talking about



What has Putin’s fortunes done in this time period? Putin ain’t about Russia....he’s about Putin.

And Europe spending more on NATO doesn’t mean more is being spent on nato.....not ny a long shot. It means Europe is spending more.....
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34876 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:17 pm to
[quote] What has Putin’s fortunes done in this time period? Putin ain’t about Russia....he’s about Putin. And Europe spending more on NATO doesn’t mean more is being spent on nato.....not ny a long shot. It means Europe is spending more.....[/quote]

Well, they aren't being invaded by Russia...they are being *invaded* by people who will require a lot of spending. The EU is on the edge of total breakup, with Poland and Italy jumping the immigration ship, and the Progressive and virtue signaling Idealists like Macron and Merkel are going to be dumped. Mother Nature runs the show, when politics fails.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:18 pm to
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Not that Trump is wrong.......but no matter WHY.....pee tape or simply conviction of ideology....NATO under stress is a plus for Putin and Russia.


So trump being correct under NATO funding regulations is wrong?

Lololol
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29673 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:19 pm to
Most thorough smack down in PB history? Gotta be up there. Well done Beef, well done.


quote:


Active Measures on YouTube by BeefDawg
quote:
Telling NATO they are dead beats is more than Putin could’ve dreamt of. Not that Trump is wrong.......but no matter WHY.....pee tape or simply conviction of ideology....NATO under stress is a plus for Putin and Russia.

No, Trump hasn’t handed Putin the keys to the Lincoln Memorial......it don’t work that way....but he is the first president to suggest that the NATO alliance is anything other than equal and friendly and universally in lockstep. Again, more than Putin could’ve hoped for.

You are talking out your arse.

First of all, Trump has gotten NATO countries to spend MORE on their military and defense.

Only a fricking retard would suggest this is somehow a boon to Russia and Putin.

Second, Trump pointing out that NATO is lined with dead beats and they're all riding the coat tails of the US is overwhelming common knowledge. The only thing Putin did when Trump openly voiced his outrage was go, "shite, now NATO is going to spend more on defense and work harder to be more cohesive."

What an asinine attempt to spin this when it's very obviously the opposite of what you claim.


quote:
Also Trump trade policy is good for Putin. Putin makes bank when there is chaos in the world......russia can get fricked but Putin gonna get his. Anything that causes chaos in the world and in the worlds police department....the US....is good for Putin.

Again, you are talking completely out of your arse.

The Russian stock exchange ( MICEX) was 2,337 in Feb, and it's 2,321 today. And it's been volatile as hell over that period. If you invested in MICEX on Feb. 18th 2018, you would be DOWN nearly 5% today.

That's 7 months smack in the meat of Trump's trade agenda.

Not to mention, the Russian Ruble value to the US dollar has LOST 20% in just the last 6 months, going from 0.175:1 to 0.140:1. Ruble:USD

The Russian economy is contracting and their inflation is rising.

60% of Russia's economy is based on their oil and NG exports, and even with crude oil reaching $77/barrel, they are still only going to hit ~1.6% GDP growth this year. Last year they had the same 1.6% GDP growth. And last year Crude averaged about $50/barrel.

How does oil go up around 50% in value and yet Russia's economy stay stagnant, their stock market drop, and the value of their currency plummet compared to the Dollar?

Here's a clue... Trump's sanctions, strengthening of the US economy, expansion of US oil and NG production and exports, and global trade policies are buttfricking Russia and Putin. That's why.

You have no clue WTF you're talking about.
Posted by FT
REDACTED
Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:42 am to
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If there was any such information, it would have come out long ago.
This, but with Hillary.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:46 am to
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i.e. How does one get a loan after multiple billion dollar bankruptcies?


Because one still had billions of other preforming assets? Just spitballing
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56400 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:28 am to
quote:

This can't be serious



this poor dude
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5184 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:05 am to
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Putin gonna get his


genius

yeah Putin needs Trump to get wealthy. just google "putin, richest man in the world" and see how many articles come up.

"Last year, Hermitage Capital Management CEO Bill Browder told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he believes the Russian president is "the richest man in the world" with a net worth of $200 billion. Browder has some bona fides to back up his Russia connections; the financier's firm was once the largest portfolio investor in Russia.

Celebritynetworth.com has a more conservative estimate: $70 billion, which matches the figure Russian political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky gave the Bureau of Investigative Journalism in 2012. Forbes, the universally accepted source of wealth information, has dubbed the former KGB agent "the world's most powerful person" but does not give an estimate of his net worth."
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123813 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:44 am to
quote:

he is the first president to suggest that the NATO alliance is anything other than equal and friendly and universally in lockstep.
But NATO has not been "equal and friendly and universally in lockstep" since Reagan's time.

If the Emperor has no clothes, is it helpful to not point it out?

You think Putin was unaware no one except the US was pulling full load in NATO? You think Putin is somehow well-served by a POTUS forcing NATO members to finally pay their share?
quote:

Putin makes bank when there is chaos in the world......
Putin makes bank when the price of oil rises.

Oil and gas comprise >70% of Russian exports. Russia needs pricing in the >$60/bbl to meet its budget. Putin benefits from any oil price-driver.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:27 am to
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Well, they aren't being invaded by Russia...they are being *invaded* by people who will require a lot of spending. The EU is on the edge of total breakup, with Poland and Italy jumping the immigration ship, and the Progressive and virtue signaling Idealists like Macron and Merkel are going to be dumped. Mother Nature runs the show, when politics fails.



And Russia, and more importantly Putin, aren’t better off with a weakened Europe with strained relations with the US?

The immigration issue in Europe has been exxagerated as a means to scare white Europe. European industries are hobbled by a lack of labor....not cheap labor, labor period. The ready source for labor has always been immigrants of one fashion or another.

I understand that white folks in the US would have you believe there is a mosque on every corner and it ain’t possible for women to walk the streets without a bee keepers suit on. I was told about 15 years ago, by a cabby in London, that there were neighborhoods in London where the mayor had placed signs warning tourists not to enter the neighborhood. I asked him to drive me there and he said the press had pressured the mayor into taking them down and several people had died as a result.....none of it was remotely true but folks in London believe it as the gospel.....almost as fervently as the spit upon returning Vietnam veteran.....nice story if it’s your thing but PURELY fictional.....

Putin is wealthier in a chaotic world. He is able to consolidate more power when the US and our allies are at odds with one another. It ain’t about Russia it’s about Wealth Russians.....like the wealthy in the US they aren’t patriotic about anything but their own wealth and power
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4583 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:05 am to
quote:

Telling NATO they are dead beats

Resulting in NATO members boosting military spending
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:47 am to
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phatcat
Don't be that dumbass.
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