re: "Above the Fray" libertarians who white knight for everything Biden...

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Well, it appears you and Thomas Jefferson have a point of disagreement then.

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Jefferson is my favorite president.

He was a talented politician, who knew how to use rhetoric quite effectively and how to borrow from Locke ... even when the rhetoric was problematic if examined closely.

"All men are created equal" from a slave-owner would be just one example.

To be clear, I agree that the concepts in question are independent of any specific government. The only question is whether they are somehow hard-coded into the operating system of the universe, or whether they evolved in Western civilization ... even if they did NOT evolve elsewhere on the planet.

Take the Indian subcontinent as an example. Thousands of years of castes and Dravidian tradition mean that a "western-style democracy" would NEVER have emerged organically there, no matter HOW enthusiastically they have now embraced the concepts.

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Even an anarchist is guilty of this, because HE wants "enforcement" of anarchist principles,

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Hadn't thought of that but it's a valid point.

Everyone wants their values reflected in the law, even if it's in the lack of said law. Some people have such a vested interest in believing that it's only those "other guys" who do that it's difficult to explain otherwise.

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Alcohol is the very definition of a hard drug. Excessive alcohol use can harm every single organ in your body. Why don’t we bring back alcohol prohibition?

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First, you are speaking to someone who has lived 42 of his 51 years in one of many of Arkansas’ dry counties.

Secondly, you are speaking to someone who grew up with a sister who is mentally retarded because some a-hole decided to drink and drive, which resulted in crushing her then two week old head, maiming her for life.

Third, you are speaking to someone who grew up with an abusive drunk father, and who has lost several friends, an uncle, an aunt, and a grandfather to alcohol.

So you are speaking to someone who believes a person should get at least 10 years in prison for first offense DUI. So don’t try throwing up bringing back prohibition to me, thinking I’m going to clutch my pearls. Bring it back.

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At the same time, it IS interesting to see how someone who is usually strident about limited government and related issues can abandon those principles when faced with an issue that carries personal emotional weight.

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You miss the point completely. It’s not that I don’t want limited government, it’s that I acknowledge that government has its legitimate purposes, and this is one of them.

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At the same time, it IS interesting to see how someone who is usually strident about limited government and related issues

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I have a libertarian bent but I'm also a pragmatist. Just to take one issue, in a vacuum I could not care less about gambling. In the real world if it proves to be a destructive enough force I can see the logic behind limiting or restricting it, especially when I'm asked to pick up the pieces with my income in the form of taxes. I don't care if pot is legalized but I don't want crack sold at CVS for the same reason. What's the benefit and what's the damage are questions worth asking IMO.

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Ever take a gander at the “Faces of Meth” comparisons? Maybe you should, so you could know how embarrassed you should be for drawing an equivalence between sugar and caffeine, and hard drugs like meth, heroin, crack, etc.

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It's not a coincidence that drugs became stronger with prohibition, It's actually the reason. Drugs will continue to more dangerous and stronger and we will continue to spend trillions fighting an unwinnable, immoral drug war. You can't support freedom and a war on drugs. Gment shouldn't have the power to protect you from yourself. I'll take liberty and drugs. You can have a "drug less society" with big brother taking care of you

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Jefferson is my favorite president.

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He's mine too just because he strikes me as the Renaissance Man who was learned in such a wide variety of subjects.
It's a shame that our recent presidents were just educated in law schools. Even some that graduated near the bottom of the Syracuse Law School which really sucks.

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CVS for the same reason. What's the benefit

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There's no need to by it in the street anymore, it becomes much safer to the addict and areas of cities aren't warzone.

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You mean like Hank that blasted Trump every chance and then white knights for a bumbling fool on everything, and pretends to be “independent” “conservative”, but always seems to be siding with liberal policy and agendas?

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That's the George Will type. They fancy themselves as high-minded and above the fray. They live in a theoretical world that originated the moment they came out of that womb with a silver spoon in their mouth. Ditty bought 'im a place in the freshman class at Yale or one of their fru fru colleges like Amherst or Williams. They are always wanting to go to war but with Bubba the mechanic's kids, not theirs. Trump is the ultimate antidote to this perfumed scum; that's why they hate Trump and Trump supporters so much. MAGA

You sound like a liberal on reddit, which ALWAYS speak to libertarians just being closeted Republicans.

I think you're all just intolerant of other people holding different opinions. None of you seem tolerant of anything.