re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...

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You want to change the hearts and minds of pro-choice people? Start talking about what new can do to support women who have an unplanned pregnancy. What safety nets can we provide for job security or unrealized complications that result in medical bills that she will be stuck with? Or time off for birth?

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Safety nets supplement bad behavior. Under your stupid game I have two options 1) Pay $$ for the mistakes and recklessness of others or 2) They vote for communists

There is nothing right or just about this and I refuse to play this game. If you wanna vote for communists, go for it.

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My fiancé at the time was a real POS. Ands before you say it....yes, bad choice in my early years. We ended up breaking up and he went to work for a family friend to make cash and couldn't be compelled to pay child support. I won't go too deep into this right away, but it happens so much more than you think. Men walk away all the time.
AND men support abortions they want, pay for them and even bring women to the clinics. Yet the narratives are always about WHORES, not the men who screw them who are also whores.

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So you want ME to bail YOU out because you made poor decisions. I wonder how easy youd have spread your legs for a man you werent married to if you had no safety net at all. You had unprotected sex with a man you werent married to. You are a stupid person and should not vote. You certainly dont have an opinion worth listening to

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I have read most all of the threads on here about abortion so now I am going to offer my two cents and ask for a new dialogue.

#1 Calling women whores and sluts that need their consequences...should have kept their legs closed is usually not equally thrown out about the man that also helped create the pregnancy. BOTH need to be discussed.

#2 The threads have been exhaustive about the unborn's life or lack of. It has been beaten to death. You want to change the hearts and minds of pro-choice people? Start talking about what new can do to support women who have an unplanned pregnancy. What safety nets can we provide for job security or unrealized complications that result in medical bills that she will be stuck with? Or time off for birth? Most of the people that comment on here are men and remember, the men in this situation don't have any of this burden. They just screw and then their problems start if that have to pay for a kid in nine months. And yes....I do believe in equal cost sharing and equal custody. No one should just be able to run away unless mutually agree to put the child up for adoption. I believe the talk needs to be about how to better support legislation to support parents who have an unexpected pregnancy. What that is, I don't know...but what we are doing isn't working.
This involves also holding the man responsible. And we can use the same old lines about court ordered child support. That doesn't always work. My first pregnancy was a unplanned. My fiancé at the time was a real POS. Ands before you say it....yes, bad choice in my early years. We ended up breaking up and he went to work for a family friend to make cash and couldn't be compelled to pay child support. I won't go too deep into this right away, but it happens so much more than you think. Men walk away all the time.
AND men support abortions they want, pay for them and even bring women to the clinics. Yet the narratives are always about WHORES, not the men who screw them who are also whores.

#3 Society is going to shite. We all agree. Pumping more unwanted kids into an overloaded system with parents having no consequences for neglecting or abusing kids has got to end. I'm a teacher and I can't tell you how many kids over the years I have fed breakfast to each morning because mom doesn't give a crap and sperm donor didn't want to be a dad.They can't play sports or join clubs because they have to go home and watch siblings. I have watched these kids turn into criminals and drug addicts. I just don't know how we keep going when people are throwing kids out like gumballs and we have no way to truly support a better life for them. Every time I see the youth of BR getting arrested for shooting someone or raping or dealing drugs, I think what are we gong to do with MORE of those? And that's coming! You can say that its not our responsibility...and it isn't but ur kids will have to live in a society with them.

#3 I truly believe in the exceptions. I have a daughter. She is a college athlete with a job that is very physically demanding. She pays all of her own bills outside of her college costs. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve. I would love to see this board look at it from my daughter's point of view. Her life does matter. I don't know why that isn't talked about. The brushing off of rape and incest victims on here is a problem.
I don't think I even saw a thread about the 29 year old who impregnated the 12 year old in Lake Charles, who gave birth. That poor child is a child herself.

Anyway, I wanted to get my two cents in and I hope it turns into a civilized discussion without bomb throwing. I'm interested to hear your thoughts. I have a lot to say but I don't get into the BS name calling.

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I stopped reading right there at #1. Barring sexual assault, women have absolute control over whether or not they get pregnant. Yes, I used the word absolute.

It's your body. Take responsibility for it.

The man should have equal choice.

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This has been dubbed a state issue.

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True legalistically.

Irrelevant to abortion as a policy discussion, especially with this being a major national election year.

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On this earth, if enough of my community agrees with me, that is what it is.

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Nationally, people support bans after 12-20 weeks as a super majority position.

If abortion is that big of a deal and will cost us an election, sacrifice those unborn babies to save our union. I may be ok with that trade.

Dude, seriously see yourself out. I just said she would not be able to work, and likely lose her scholarship. If your answer is tough shite, then duly noted that you don’t give a shite and move on.

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wrong again

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Even if I disagree with SFP, this is a child’s answer.

You didn’t bail me out. I gave you a scenario that no one bailed me out of. No safety nets for what happening now shows in the youth of today, I’m asking for some discussion on how to right the ship. You have none. So bye.

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It may be.

It may not be.

Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.

There isn't a specific answer to this question. If there was, the debate would be over.

You don't get to frame the discussion to get your desired result.

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Life begins at conception is an indisputable biological fact.

Purposefully taking another human life outside of self defense or defense of others is murder, another indisputable fact.

Just because a person disagrees with facts does not mean they are correct, it means they are being intellectually dishonest. Those who support the act of abortion are the only ones framing the discussion.