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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:41 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:41 pm to 14&Counting
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What?
He is the one who framed the argument?
Apparently you aren't in the 105+ category because you didn't follow the argument
If your argument highlighted the biased framing you'd have a point.
And I suspect you're in the sub 105 IQ category because that comment wasn't suggesting you're in that club, but the person you were speaking with.
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:41 pm to 14&Counting
Because it doesn’t and will not affect them. So it’s easy to force judgement on women who will have their bodies hijacked and used against their will. This is where I draw the line. And I’m glad Trump agrees.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Are conservatives of this board still on this abortion mess 
Good grief they need to drop this mierda
Good grief they need to drop this mierda
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:42 pm to imjustafatkid
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Facts do not require wide acceptance.
hoo boy
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:43 pm to Adam Banks
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Not over the fate of another person.
Yet you have no problem dictating her fate
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You ok with her murdering the 6 year old other child of the rapist?
This is a dumb, flawed analogy.....do better
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:43 pm to SDVTiger
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Are conservatives of this board still on this abortion mess
Good grief they need to drop this mierda
Like I told you yesterday, they've earned you informing them they have TDS, at this point.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:43 pm to madamtiger
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So it’s easy to force judgement on women who will have their bodies hijacked and used against their will.
Seems to me like it's easy for you to pass judgement on the fetus, and allow its body to be used against its will.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Again, that child has reached the status of being human If she aborts a fetus prior to reaching this status, it's not a logical or relevant comparison
The only thing stopping that child from living a full life is the mother that’s murder.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:43 pm to Warrior Court
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hoo boy
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:44 pm to Adam Banks
But in the case of rape “ a person” is using someone else’s body against their will.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Define that point.
After a certain point they are human. Prior to that point, they are not.
quote:Its exactly that simple. It’s just unpopular.
The fact that this point can't be reached as a consensus of the most developed populations of human history, shows you it's not as simple as you try to frame it.
quote:You repeatedly have stated you know what it isn’t, with zero support for your position. So yes, you do indeed to claim to be God because only your opinion is your basis of reality.
Again, I am not claiming to be a god and know what this point is, just so we're all clear. I'm not that egotistical, especially with such a serious topic.
I use science, nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:45 pm to Adam Banks
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The only thing stopping that child from living a full life is the mother that’s murder.
Or, you know, implantation.
Which already happens naturally 30-50% of the time with fertilized eggs (aka, conception)
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:46 pm to madamtiger
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But in the case of rape “ a person” is using someone else’s body against their will.
Apparently that is OK as is forcing someone to use their body against their will.....at least according to the logic I see presented here.
And these guys sit around and wonder why they keep losing elections.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:46 pm to llfshoals
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You repeatedly have stated you know what it isn’t,
This is a lie
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:46 pm to 14&Counting
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Yet you have no problem dictating her fate
Because I am not killing her.
Everyone agrees murder is wrong.
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This is a dumb, flawed analogy.....do better
If you are pro life it’s not. If that baby is another human being that in any other situation would be illegal to abort then there is zero reason to have an exception that it’s ok to kill it because the father is a criminal
If you are pro choice then whatever this is moot.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Like I told you yesterday, they've earned you informing them they have TDS, at this point.
Its seems like a level.way beyond TDS cause this has been there terrible stance for Decades
I mean what a waste for those poor ppl who got arrested and jailed over trying to convince lunatics to not be monsters
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:47 pm to 14&Counting
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And these guys sit around and wonder why they keep losing elections.
They'll shift to fatalism when you point this out
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:47 pm to madamtiger
Sounds like you don't want dialogue but just to express your viewpoint.
#1. I agree that men need to be talked about, however on the topic of abortion, men have zero say and that's how women want it. It's all about "my body, my choice", and men don't have a right to what happens to their own child. I condemn men who have sex outside of marriage just as much as I do for women. Sin is sin. However men don't have a voice in the decision so it seems somewhat of a moot point to talk about men's responsibility until they have an equal say in the matter.
#2. I'm happy to discuss options, such as making adoption easier, reviewing child support laws, or providing additional incentives for better decision making in marriage. I don't think these discussions need to replace the discussion of the legality of abortion but should be included in addition. However, it seems women just want abortion to be legal so that those other discussions won't be as necessary.
#3. As a Christian, I believe it's important to incentivize 1-man-1-woman marriage for stability in the home. Ultimately this is a spiritual issue and so I believe the government should promote the spread of the gospel of Jesus Christ as that is the only true answer to the problems we have in society. Even from a secular standpoint, we have incentivized single parenthood and have promoted abortion as a solution, so there hasn't been as much as a focus on fixing the culture related to dysfunctional families. Remove the safety net of abortion and it makes those other conversations more necessary.
At the end of the day, the ultimate point to discuss is whether or not the pre-born child is a living human being worthy of the right to life. If it is, then the abortion argument should be much easier to discuss. If abortion were eliminated, there would be a greater need for other conversations around the family and perhaps we could make progress there. That's not going to happen while abortion is still viewed as birth control.
#1. I agree that men need to be talked about, however on the topic of abortion, men have zero say and that's how women want it. It's all about "my body, my choice", and men don't have a right to what happens to their own child. I condemn men who have sex outside of marriage just as much as I do for women. Sin is sin. However men don't have a voice in the decision so it seems somewhat of a moot point to talk about men's responsibility until they have an equal say in the matter.
#2. I'm happy to discuss options, such as making adoption easier, reviewing child support laws, or providing additional incentives for better decision making in marriage. I don't think these discussions need to replace the discussion of the legality of abortion but should be included in addition. However, it seems women just want abortion to be legal so that those other discussions won't be as necessary.
#3. As a Christian, I believe it's important to incentivize 1-man-1-woman marriage for stability in the home. Ultimately this is a spiritual issue and so I believe the government should promote the spread of the gospel of Jesus Christ as that is the only true answer to the problems we have in society. Even from a secular standpoint, we have incentivized single parenthood and have promoted abortion as a solution, so there hasn't been as much as a focus on fixing the culture related to dysfunctional families. Remove the safety net of abortion and it makes those other conversations more necessary.
At the end of the day, the ultimate point to discuss is whether or not the pre-born child is a living human being worthy of the right to life. If it is, then the abortion argument should be much easier to discuss. If abortion were eliminated, there would be a greater need for other conversations around the family and perhaps we could make progress there. That's not going to happen while abortion is still viewed as birth control.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:48 pm to madamtiger
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But in the case of rape “ a person” is using someone else’s body against their will.
Is that baby a person?
You said you are pro life.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:48 pm to madamtiger
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Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
My wife is the most conservative person I know. She is a NP. She agrees abortion is murder. So no, you don't have the opinion of most conservative women.This goofy rape clause accounts for less than 1% of abortions, but let's everyone conveniently forget about that for the other 99%+.
Birth control and plan B are the simple and active solutions to your dilemmas.
This OP is the cliché, emotions over logic thought process.
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