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Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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The same women who got Youngkin elected in 2021, in a blue state.
Youngkin is pro-life and has signed pro-life bills.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:25 am to SDVTiger
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Exactly. They are the exact reason we are were we are
Yes. The GOP would be doing much better the past 20+ years if they didn't let the Evangelicals hijack social issues.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:25 am to SDVTiger
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Exactly. They are the exact reason we are were we are
The reason we are here is because pathetic liberal boomers like.yourself have caved on every hill to fight on the past 75 years. Your types will ultimately cave on other issues like immigration and transgenderism, soon enough. We lose because we are stuck having to fight with spineless cowards.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:28 am to burger bearcat
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Youngkin is pro-life and has signed pro-life bills.
He ran on other issues in 2021
His stance in 2021 was to support a ban after 20 weeks WITH the rape/incest exception.
If this were the national stance of the GOP, and this is the policy associated with the GOP, then abortion wouldn't be a major issue in the election.
Instead, this is what's associated with the GOP:
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It should be outlawed everywhere because it's murder
Doubling down by calling moderate women who would lean GOP but-for the abortion issue "cat ladies" is also pretty dumb.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:29 am to burger bearcat
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The reason we are here is because pathetic liberal boomers like.yourself have caved on every hill to fight on the past 75 years.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:32 am to burger bearcat
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Speaking strictly politically. It's important to make sure when looking at issues like abortion, to understand the issue is not this binary issue for voters.
1) what % of voters are supportive of the Trump platform but won't vote for him because of abortion? But could be swayed to vote for him if he was more pro-choice?
2) What % of pro-life voters could be lost due to being demoralized, after hearing Republicans use Democrat language like "reproductive rights"?
3) If abortion is someone's main issue, what would it take for them to be convinced to vote for Trump over Harris? Ate there even votes to be mined from this demographic that is being appealed to?
4) What would a Republican or Trump have to say or do for them not to be blamed for every single contrived, sob story about some girl that couldn't get an abortion.
5) Overall, is it more important for Trump to fire up his base, or to try and demoralize his base, by going hard after soft squishy voters? Is base turnout more important than winning the undecided?
6) Is it a smart strategy to alienate your number one grassroots, activist group that provides key support and resource in states where it's most needed like Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsyvania
Trump did the constitutionally correct approach by allowing each state to decide what their residents want with regards to abortion. I see no problem giving each state the independence to decide their own abortion policies.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:32 am to JackaReaux
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It’s too late for all the waffling bullshite. Trump has stated many times that it should be decided at the state level
As did the SCOTUS, which is what actually does matter, not a politician’s opinion to score points with their constituents one way or another. It’s a Constitutional issue, and the majority of those still using this as a talking point in an election cycle either fail to come to grips with, or think it serves an actual purpose anymore.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:36 am to Mike da Tigah
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As did the SCOTUS, which is what actually does matter, not a politician’s opinion to score points with their constituents one way or another.
But this is a discussion about it as a political issue, so it does matter.
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It’s a Constitutional issue, and the majority of those still using this as a talking point in an election cycle either fail to come to grips with, or think it serves an actual purpose anymore.
Or they're using it as an election issue in an election year
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:40 am to RockoRou
your giving a simple explanation to the most complex political issues of all time. If the republicans believe it's a state issue they should have their GOP gov put this on the ballot and let states vote. I think that 70% of the GOP controlled states would pass some for of an abortion law. The GOP never wanted to overturn the abortion ban, they wanted to campaign against it forever. The Dems never passed into law when they had multiple chances over the years to do it, they new if the republicans ever over turned Roe they could beat the republicans over the head with it and they are.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:44 am to dgnx6
You know you’re winning when they have to mischaracterize what you've said to score any points.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:47 am to burger bearcat
No it’s an issue of murder
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:49 am to jizzle6609
quote:If only that were the issue.
Why do we honestly care what women do with their bodies?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:50 am to AlxTgr
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Why do we honestly care what women do with their bodies?
If only that were the issue.
Exactly. The "what women do with their own bodies" has always been a very low IQ argument.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Exactly. The "what women do with their own bodies" has always been a very low IQ argument.
Perhaps, but it won the messaging battle.
And like with the "cat lady" comments, attacking the people who believe it isn't going to swing those people to vote for you/your candidates very often
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Perhaps, but it won the messaging battle.
Tends to happen with a dysfunctional, bubble dwelling population.
We vote for a lot of things that are against our own best interest.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:55 am to Bass Tiger
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Trump did the constitutionally correct approach by allowing each state to decide what their residents want with regards to abortion. I see no problem giving each state the independence to decide their own abortion policies.
Yes, but...
Vance is saying that he would veto an abortion ban. That means that the ban has already passed the House and Senate. Going out of your way to veto a pro-life measure that's already passed through Congress is basically saying "I'm pro-choice"
But Vance can say that all day long because he knows it will never get to Trump's desk. It may be smart politically, but it's very Democrat-like.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 11:15 am to burger bearcat
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The reason we are here is because pathetic liberal boomers like.yourself have caved on every hill to fight on the past 75 years.
Im not a boomer or a liberal
No its you Conservative betas that all you do is cry vs adapt that have been getting beat down for the last 75yrs.
Its why a Democrat had to save your party. Think about that for a minute
Yet you solution is to keep doing the same thing that doesnt work or you will take your ball home
thats how you win quote:
Yes. The GOP would be doing much better the past 20+ years if they didn't let the Evangelicals hijack social issues.
Yup
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/27/24 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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And like with the "cat lady" comments,
I'm sure there's a lot of progressive cat women reading this board.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 11:20 am to burger bearcat
trump lost about 5 million teacher votes when he publicly supported vouchers.. thats the issue i worry about the most... its turning us here in texas blue... we will have a democrat govenor in two years... bet...
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