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re: A trillion dollar question. Is DeSantis a Warhawk?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:39 am to coachcrisp
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:39 am to coachcrisp
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A smart man will bankrupt his adversary if he can, before trying to kick his arse....and we can.
So we bankrupted ourselves through ME crisis....so the enemy is ourselves?
Elaborate, cause that makes no sense.
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:39 am to Ole Ag
quote:Amen brother.
I remember being pissed an Ron Paul during a debate because he was so anti-war. Ron Paul is a hero and I'm ashamed of how stupid I was. Paul stood up when it is was unpopular and he didn't care what voters thought. Need more men like him.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:41 am to Ole Ag
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Governors don't start wars, so we will have to wait and see if he pushes Ukrainian war forever or not.
I have not seen Desantis push anything regarding Ukraine. I have heard him talk about the wasteful spending of billions of our tax dollars going there instead of staying at home.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:42 am to DrAnonymous
That’s a good question. An even better question might be, “If he’s not, can they make him into one?”
When you look at why we go to war and what the powers to be will do to keep us in that state of war (assassinate JFK, help destroy destroy Trump) your political career and your life itself is at risk. Eisenhower warned us on his way out and he was a career military man.
When you look at why we go to war and what the powers to be will do to keep us in that state of war (assassinate JFK, help destroy destroy Trump) your political career and your life itself is at risk. Eisenhower warned us on his way out and he was a career military man.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:43 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:and you got the TRILLION DOLLAR part right - while Americans are left in decline
The president of the USA and others in his political party has called you; labeled Americans; white supremacists and terrorists.
This is the same man who
has used Ukraine for money laundering and
who is a part of the government that fomented a coup in Ukraine that was bloody resulting in the deaths of Ukrainians and Russians within Ukraine since at least 2011 and likely much longer
who is a part of the government that built bioweapons labs in Ukraine
and who is currently financing the wars of his puppets, the Ukrainians and Khazarians against other countries in the region
who supports the totalitarians and Nazis in the Ukraine
who supports violence, treachery, and death in general; AND
who supports the CIA's forever war problem currently in Ukraine, and soon to follow - other locations
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:44 am to mytigger
quote:
That’s a good question. An even better question might be, “If he’s not, can they make him into one?”
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:44 am to DrAnonymous
If DeSantis goes by what his donors want then yes he will be a war hawk.
Like DeSantis in Florida, GWB was a great two term governor of Texas. But once he assumed the office of the presidency he took advantage of 911 and went full anti civil liberties and full blown war hawk.
Now I don't believe DeSantis would go all GWB, unless he has something like 911 to justify it, but he will have the same forces that were behind GWB pushing him to bomb brown people.
Like DeSantis in Florida, GWB was a great two term governor of Texas. But once he assumed the office of the presidency he took advantage of 911 and went full anti civil liberties and full blown war hawk.
Now I don't believe DeSantis would go all GWB, unless he has something like 911 to justify it, but he will have the same forces that were behind GWB pushing him to bomb brown people.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:45 am to mytigger
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That’s a good question. An even better question might be, “If he’s not, can they make him into one?”
When you look at why we go to war and what the powers to be will do to keep us in that state of war (assassinate JFK, help destroy destroy Trump) your political career and your life itself is at risk. Eisenhower warned us on his way out and he was a career military man.
That's a good point and frankly it's disturbing that that's how it work. This is the pinnacle of "democracy" when duly elected President can be muscled into starting conflicts by a small group of military industrial bureaucrats.
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re: A trillion dollar question. Is DeSantis a Warhawk?Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:44 am to DrAnonymous
If DeSantis goes by what his donors want then yes he will be a war hawk.
Like DeSantis in Florida, GWB was a great two term governor of Texas. But once he assumed the office of the presidency he took advantage of 911 and went full anti civil liberties and full blown war hawk.
Now I don't believe DeSantis would go all GWB, unless he has something like 911 to justify it, but he will have the same forces that were behind GWB pushing him to bomb brown people.
And Dubya who had an even more dim witted brother who happened to be also very "popular" governor in FL. I can't believe GOP thought they could feed another Bush. But they tried.
Clearly governorship of state tells us nothing about foreign policy influences and stances the person would take.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:46 am to BugAC
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I have heard him talk about the wasteful spending of billions of our tax dollars going there instead of staying at home.
Can you link this? If DeSantis did talk about money going to Ukraine as being wasteful then that is a great sign.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:51 am to DrAnonymous
Number of Posts: 63
Registered on: 11/12/2022
Alter comes in hot
Trump Good, DeSantis Bad!
Whoever your main is, DeSantis has broken you.
Registered on: 11/12/2022
Alter comes in hot
Trump Good, DeSantis Bad!
Whoever your main is, DeSantis has broken you.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:51 am to Ole Ag
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I don't know his record, but I know my tune has changed 100%. I stupidly was pro war after 911. Still believed the CIA was believable. What a fool I was. I voted for W like a fool. That middle east fiasco changed many people
I am right there with you on all of this but what the hell were the options?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:53 am to GumboPot
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Can you link this? If DeSantis did talk about money going to Ukraine as being wasteful then that is a great sign.
I don't see. it. I found a tid bit where he praised Musk for keeping Starlink in Ukraine.
But generally he's spoke few time in cliches about "strength" and criticized Biden. Not much else.
So we know nothing.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:56 am to Animal
quote:Exactly.
quote:
I don't know his record, but I know my tune has changed 100%. I stupidly was pro war after 911. Still believed the CIA was believable. What a fool I was. I voted for W like a fool. That middle east fiasco changed many people
I am right there with you on all of this but what the hell were the options?
"You are either with us or with the terrorists" G W Bush, son of former CIA director, March, 2003 Just before invading because "weapons of mass destruction" in the second Iraq War
"President George W. Bush addresses the nation from the Oval Office, March 19, 2003, to announce the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[76] "The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder." The Senate committee found that many of the administration's pre-war statements about Iraqi WMD were not supported by the underlying intelligence."
"INTELLIGENCE" by forever war club
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:02 am to DrAnonymous
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Clearly governorship of state tells us nothing about foreign policy influences and stances the person would take.
Governorship tells you very little about borders and nothing about foreign policy/war and trade.
There is a reason Karl Rove at one time said, "Governors make good presidential candidates." Why? Because governors are untested on issues that concern the president: borders, trade and war. There is no record on these issues form candidates that are former governors.
And those are the issues that are very important to the multinational donor class. Those are the issues multinational make money. Cheap labor, trade giveaways, and weapon sales. There are trillions at stake.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:13 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:What the hell has that got to do with this thread, "Is DeSantis a Warhawk?"
The president of the USA and others in his political party has called you; labeled Americans; white supremacists and terrorists.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:25 am to GumboPot
I used to love that Tobey Keith song, we'll put a boot in your arse it's the American way.
Now I leave the room if I hear it, because it makes me cringe. I was young, stupid and gung-ho for kicking arse. When I wasn't doing shite and some other young guy was getting killed or loosing limbs.
I hate the Ukraine war and want out yesterday. But if we are in a war, I prefer wasting money over young American men. I feel almost lucky we can't get our soldiers involved because we aren't in a war with ancient backwards tribesmen. Of course if it goes bad it will make Iraq/Afghanistan look like a picnic.
Because you know Miley and company would love to 250K+ soldiers into that bloodbath. Bigger money when our boys are coming back blown to hell thousands of miles away.
Now I leave the room if I hear it, because it makes me cringe. I was young, stupid and gung-ho for kicking arse. When I wasn't doing shite and some other young guy was getting killed or loosing limbs.
I hate the Ukraine war and want out yesterday. But if we are in a war, I prefer wasting money over young American men. I feel almost lucky we can't get our soldiers involved because we aren't in a war with ancient backwards tribesmen. Of course if it goes bad it will make Iraq/Afghanistan look like a picnic.
Because you know Miley and company would love to 250K+ soldiers into that bloodbath. Bigger money when our boys are coming back blown to hell thousands of miles away.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:34 am to DrAnonymous
quote:Russia's only major asset in its energy program. If we start back drilling and fracking, we can basically control the world's energy supply. If that's the case, then 1) Russia has no supply advantage over Europe, and 2) no control over the price of energy. If that is the case, then we can squeeze the Russian's revenue supply down to caviar and cheap vodka!
Elaborate, cause that makes no sense.
That's what is called a tight grip on the short-hairs!
I agree that we handled the ME poorly for decades and learned NOTHING from what happened to Russia because of their little foray there.
However, I believe that the small earned intelligence presence we had in Afghanistan should have been preserved because it helped stabilize the Taliban, and gave us eyes on the ground in that part of the world.....had we lost even ONE American serviceman over there in the last year before we left?...don't think so.
Remember the best way to kill an ostrich is to cut his throat while his head's in the sand.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:35 am to DrAnonymous
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When there wasn't ISIS caliphate running amock and there wasn't a huge influx of arabic migrants to Europe and US.
Saddam ran a tight ship. So did Gaddafi. They almost took down Assad.
How old are you?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:38 am to DrAnonymous
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we as a country can't take a chance
Is it 2016 again already?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:39 am to DrAnonymous
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Saddam ran a tight ship. So did Gaddafi.
Couple of swell guys.
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