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CivilTiger83
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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"Observing" macro evolution as described would require the observer to live an awfully fricking long time.


No it wouldn't... we have fossils. The macro changes should be seen more broadly in the fossil record based on how many different random variations would have to occur.


Kentucker
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Lexington
Member since Apr 2013
14082 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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And that's why we've discovered evidence of so much randomly happened life in the rest of the universe, right?


We’re just now acquiring the ability to explore other worlds. WTF is your point?


RobbBobb
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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They are very simple creatures.

not according to my dictionary
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creature - an animal or person.


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narddogg81
Alabama Fan
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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If slightly different creatures *couldn't* interbreed, then evolution would have a problem.
evolution does have big problems, at the cellular level as well as with the origin of life. There is so much stuff in the cellar machinery that is chicken and egg kind of stuff. You can't create RNA without a specific bit of cellular kit, but, you can't build that kit without the RNA in the first place, etc etc etc. There is a ton of stuff inside the very basic machinery of life(which is still massively complicated) that had to evolve spontaneously at the same time in one cell, from nothing but random soup of amino acids, fully functioning or you don't have something that is alive, something that can metabolize or replicate. There is no evolutionary advantage to carrying around bits of stuff instead your cell that won't do anything functional until and unless you get some other completely preposterously advantageous mutation in the same once cell, or a million generations later. This is where evolutionary biology takes a massive cop out. It's basically at this point they say well we are here so we know it happened so, um, there. And they leave it at that. That's not science.
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OMLandshark
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Member since Apr 2009
73925 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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I'm not saying flora and fauna doesn't adapt and change physically, but if these organism change this infinitesimal amount over tens of millions of years, how did we go from monkeys to humans in just 3 million years?
Is evolution partial to higher order intelligence; do higher order animals evolve faster?



First off they didn't go from monkeys to humans in just 3 million years. We were monkeys millions of years before that and became an ape during that time.

But you don't have any understanding of evolution. Evolution doesn't necessarily reward intelligence, but the animal that can adapt to change. You would be hard pressed to find a more evolutionary successful creature than the cockroach for instance.


RobbBobb
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Member since Feb 2007
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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We’re just now acquiring the ability to explore other worlds. WTF is your point?

My point is that in the closest proximity to us, and forming at the EXACT same time as us, NO LIFE whatsoever has been detected on the moon or Mars, which is beyond odd, if life can be so random

And of course the BS will be conditions on said bodies weren't amenable to life, despite the fact that you told me it was ALL SO RANDOM
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random - without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way

Know the meaning of words before using them. If life was truly random (or haphazard), then even if it was small grublike creatures that didn't require oxygen, you will still find "life" very near to us, in a haphazard, oddly configured form. But there is none. Not even traces

Life like us, on an carbon based planet, doesn't remotely qualify as random. It qualifies as miraculously identical


OMLandshark
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Member since Apr 2009
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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Micro evolution vs macro evolution needs to be pointed out.



No it doesn't. It's like saying we need to point out the difference between walking down the street and walking from New York to LA. The only major difference is the amount of time it takes to get there. Your idiot of a Southern Baptist preacher is wrong.


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ShortyRob
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Member since Oct 2008
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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And that's why we've discovered evidence of so much randomly happened life in the rest of the universe, right?


Um. The universe is large. Like, REALLY large. Like, incomprehensibly large. And, only a few hundred years ago, we could barely see the shapes of shite in our own solar system. We've only been able to actually experiment on stuff in our solar system, CHARITABLY speaking, for about 50 years.

Your post is like someone in 1300 acting like not knowing there was a N. America meant there was no N. America.


OMLandshark
Ole Miss Fan
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73925 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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narddogg81


Replace the n with a t on your screen name.


Kentucker
Kentucky Fan
Lexington
Member since Apr 2013
14082 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
You’re using the word random as a synonym for ubiquitous. No wonder you’re confused.


RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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Evolution doesn't necessarily reward intelligence,

Nor does it reward statistical intelligence

No matter what we evolved from, at some point we became male/female. That would had to have happened overnight. Which is evolutionarily impossible

Because the statistical likelihood that a male and a female evolved at the same exact time, in a geographical area close enough for them to find each other and mate. Within the 20 year window for that female to bear an offspring, is off the charts


RobbBobb
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Member since Feb 2007
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
I'm not the one who used the word random


Korkstand
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Plaquemine, LA
Member since Nov 2003
15875 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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Micro evolution vs macro evolution needs to be pointed out.
No, it doesn't.
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Micro evolution are small changes in a species to adapt to different conditions. Those have been observed, and nearly all intelligent design proponents would not argue against micro evolution. But macro evolution is positing something we haven't observed and that seems extreme... certain species developing totally new organs as a kind of mutation
Where do you, personally, draw the line?
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(mutations are typically a bad thing)
Typically, yes. Almost always? Yes. Every time? No.
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The problem is waved off by giving enough time
Right, given enough time, there is no problem.
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our fossil records don't show evidence for those kinds of mutations.


The fossil record contains overwhelming evidence of those kinds of mutations.


narddogg81
Alabama Fan
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Member since Jan 2012
13063 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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Replace the n with a t on your screen name.
yep, that's usually about the degree of engagement you get when you question the core of someone's religious beliefs
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ShortyRob
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Member since Oct 2008
66915 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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My point is that in the closest proximity to us, and forming at the EXACT same time as us, NO LIFE whatsoever has been detected on the moon or Mars, which is beyond odd, if life can be so random

It's not even slightly odd.

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And of course the BS will be conditions on said bodies weren't amenable to life, despite the fact that you told me it was ALL SO RANDOM
Straw man defeated!!!

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Know the meaning of words before using them. If life was truly random (or haphazard), then even if it was small grublike creatures that didn't require oxygen, you will still find "life" very near to us, in a haphazard, oddly configured form. But there is none. Not even traces
LOL. Even if life developing on a world had 1 in a Trillion probability, there would be no reason whatsoever to expect that meant it SHOULD have occurred more than once in the same Solar System under different conditions. Sheesh.

For you to consider it likely in a nearby place, the odds would be awfully damned common and NO ONE asserts that.

You beat the shite out of that strawman.
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Life like us, on an carbon based planet, doesn't remotely qualify as random. It qualifies as miraculously identical

You don't think having a planet turn out like ours(before life) is the very definition of "random"?

You seem to think "random" equals "commonly occurring".


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ShortyRob
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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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You’re using the word random as a synonym for ubiquitous. No wonder you’re confused.

Exactly.


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Kentucker
Kentucky Fan
Lexington
Member since Apr 2013
14082 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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No matter what we evolved from, at some point we became male/female. That would had to have happened overnight. Which is evolutionarily impossible


Damn, dude, you need to take some courses about the evolution of sex differences. You are making conclusions based on limited information.


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ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
66915 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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I'm not the one who used the word random

Yes. But you're interpretation of what the word "random" means is comically wrong.


ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
66915 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
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No matter what we evolved from, at some point we became male/female. That would had to have happened overnight. Which is evolutionarily impossible


Mother of God. This post should be marked with a mental health warning.


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RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
18488 posts

re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
You are also caught up in the "life like us" is life

If life could form on this planet without a design, then the same could happen on Mars, Venus, the moon, etc. It would be different anatomically from us, because the conditions were different. But the ability to form "life" was as present on those bodies as it was here. Yet nothing has ever been found to have existed there. In any form

Life isn't just defined as something that looks like we do, on a planet like ours. Especially if there was no "design"


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