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A ridiculous case in Mississippi is going to trial
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:02 am
and the media is completely lying about it.
Two schools consolidated prior to the 2015-16 school year in Cleveland, Mississippi. East Side (a predominantly black school) and Cleveland (a 50-50 school).
The new high school, Cleveland Central, had new school colors and a mascot. The first graduating class, the school opted to have co-valedictorians, since the first three years of high school was completely different for that graduating class.
The black valedictorian found out from an old teacher that she had a slightly higher GPA, and has sued the school district. She was okay with the co-valedictorian deal when she was in school, but now all of a sudden it was ridiculous that she had to share.
Ive seen it on three different media outlets presented as the school picked a white valedictorian over a black valedictorian. Anyone skimming headlines, as most people do, would think that a school in Mississippi actually said "We can't have a black valedictorian, so we are going to pick a white one."
ETA: Ive read a little more.
Student from Black School had 4.0
Student from 50-50 (they are calling it Historically White School) had 4.0
Black school did not have the same opportunities for weighted classes as 50-50 school. School does the honorable right thing and says co-valedictorians. Black valedictorian says that her advanced classes should have counted the same as others, even though they weren't as rigorous or taught by as quality of teacher.
Two schools consolidated prior to the 2015-16 school year in Cleveland, Mississippi. East Side (a predominantly black school) and Cleveland (a 50-50 school).
The new high school, Cleveland Central, had new school colors and a mascot. The first graduating class, the school opted to have co-valedictorians, since the first three years of high school was completely different for that graduating class.
The black valedictorian found out from an old teacher that she had a slightly higher GPA, and has sued the school district. She was okay with the co-valedictorian deal when she was in school, but now all of a sudden it was ridiculous that she had to share.
Ive seen it on three different media outlets presented as the school picked a white valedictorian over a black valedictorian. Anyone skimming headlines, as most people do, would think that a school in Mississippi actually said "We can't have a black valedictorian, so we are going to pick a white one."
ETA: Ive read a little more.
Student from Black School had 4.0
Student from 50-50 (they are calling it Historically White School) had 4.0
Black school did not have the same opportunities for weighted classes as 50-50 school. School does the honorable right thing and says co-valedictorians. Black valedictorian says that her advanced classes should have counted the same as others, even though they weren't as rigorous or taught by as quality of teacher.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:04 am to anc
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co-valedictorian
The everybody gets a trophy culture strikes again.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:05 am to Green Chili Tiger
Not at all.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:05 am to anc
quote:
The black valedictorian found out from an old teacher that she had a slightly higher GPA
In a school as small as that, whoever has the highest GPA should be valedictorian, regardless of race.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:08 am to anc
quote:Based on what standard, curriculum, and quality of teachers?
The black valedictorian found out from an old teacher that she had a slightly higher GPA
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:10 am to tigerpawl
They both had a 4.0 it sounds like, but the issue came in the advanced/accellerated classes. They did not have the same opportunities to take the same classes so the school made the choice to name them co-valedictorians.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:11 am to anc
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They both had a 4.0 it sounds like, but the issue came in the advanced/accellerated classes. They did not have the same opportunities to take the same classes so the school made the choice to name them co-valedictorians.
Now that makes sense. Can't fault the children for not having the option to take advanced courses when the others did. Co-Vals seems like the only fair option here.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:13 am to TDsngumbo
Huh?
From the blurb I'm understanding the valedictorians came from two different school populations smashed together their senior year.
What's the issue? Seems fair.
From the blurb I'm understanding the valedictorians came from two different school populations smashed together their senior year.
What's the issue? Seems fair.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:13 am to TDsngumbo
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Now that makes sense. Can't fault the children for not having the option to take advanced courses when the others did. Co-Vals seems like the only fair option here.
That's what I thought as well. The irony is that the school was probably trying to protect itself with the co-valedictorian thing, and then it comes back and thats why they are being sued.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:15 am to TDsngumbo
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In a school as small as that, whoever has the highest GPA should be valedictorian, regardless of race.
If the first 3 years were separate, you can't guarantee that Student A's GPA would be greater than Student B's GPA (or vice-versa), because one could have had tougher classes than the other when they were apart.
ETA: ..and who really gives a shite about this now? Does it guarantee she will make $.50/hr more at the local McDonald's if she gets to remove the Co- from her resume?
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:16 am to anc
Can someone tell these people smart enough to be valedictorians that not a single person will give a single frick that you WERE one?
They should be smart enough to understand. No one cares even a tiny bit immediately after graduation.
They should be smart enough to understand. No one cares even a tiny bit immediately after graduation.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:17 am to ZappBrannigan
quote:Just another whiner whining. Such a trivial issue to get upset about. It's not like something is being taken away from her.
From the blurb I'm understanding the valedictorians came from two different school populations smashed together their senior year. What's the issue? Seems fair.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:17 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:I was about to say this. Truer words have never been spoken.
Can someone tell these people smart enough to be valedictorians that not a single person will give a single frick that you WERE one? They should be smart enough to understand. No one cares even a tiny bit immediately after graduation.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:18 am to anc
Different schools
Different teachers
Different tests
this is completely fair and it's bullshite the judge even allowed this suit to proceed.
Different teachers
Different tests
this is completely fair and it's bullshite the judge even allowed this suit to proceed.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:22 am to anc
what is the black valedictorian bitching about? This little thing just allowed her to punch a ticket to a school that other parents have to lie to and create fake resumes for.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:23 am to anc
The school made a fair decision. The two curricula were not the same. Comparing their final grades would be comparing apples to oranges.
Back in the day, we had a really bright girl move to town for her senior year. Her final grades would have made her Salutatorian of her class that May, but the school had told her on Day One that she would not be eligible as an honor graduate for exactly the same reason.
But they did allow her to transfer her NHS membership, which is normally school-specific.
EDIT
Honestly, I think they should keep the “co-honors” in place for all three years, until they graduate the last kids that attended the separate schools.
Back in the day, we had a really bright girl move to town for her senior year. Her final grades would have made her Salutatorian of her class that May, but the school had told her on Day One that she would not be eligible as an honor graduate for exactly the same reason.
But they did allow her to transfer her NHS membership, which is normally school-specific.
EDIT
Honestly, I think they should keep the “co-honors” in place for all three years, until they graduate the last kids that attended the separate schools.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:27 am to anc
There are two separate lawsuits, which may be why you think the media is lying about it. The Valedictorian suit is 2 years old, and I think you have described it correctly.
The suit that is getting most of the media attention is based on a new case filed by a Senior who graduated in 2018. There has apparently been much confusion over how to consolidate the GPAs from the two schools, and this girl was named co-Salutatorian after much discussion. She got a scholarship to Ole Miss based on her Salutatorian status.
At Graduation, she found out the grades had been changed yet again, and she was not named as co-salutatorian. She lost her scholarship.
LINK
The suit that is getting most of the media attention is based on a new case filed by a Senior who graduated in 2018. There has apparently been much confusion over how to consolidate the GPAs from the two schools, and this girl was named co-Salutatorian after much discussion. She got a scholarship to Ole Miss based on her Salutatorian status.
At Graduation, she found out the grades had been changed yet again, and she was not named as co-salutatorian. She lost her scholarship.
LINK
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:28 am to anc
The highest GPA should be the valedictorian (with ties) and the second-highest GPA should be the salutatorian (with ties).
If both students had a 4.0, what is the issue? It sounds like both students did NOT have a 4.0, if one had a "slightly higher GPA"
Side topic, it seems like more and more schools are getting rid of the 5th point for honors classes, which is complete BS to me. A harder class should get the 5th point.
If both students had a 4.0, what is the issue? It sounds like both students did NOT have a 4.0, if one had a "slightly higher GPA"
Side topic, it seems like more and more schools are getting rid of the 5th point for honors classes, which is complete BS to me. A harder class should get the 5th point.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
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Back in the day, we had a really bright girl move to town for her senior year. Her final grades would have made her Salutatorian of her class that May, but the school had told her on Day One that she would not be eligible as an honor graduate for exactly the same reason.
This is pretty SOP in most schools - you have to attend all 4 years to be a valedictorian.
I think it's a bit different when you have two schools merge, as opposed to just a random kid showing up.
Trying to adjust GPAs, I believe, is just asking for trouble. Way too subjective, in a world where 100th of a point makes a difference. While you can say that School A has a harder curicculum than School B, how can you say that the smartest kid at School B, no way would get all A's at School A? The smartest kid at School B might be the smartest kid at both schools. You just don't know.
I know colleges will treat schools differently, but that's in broad strokes, not something as exacting as a GPA calculation.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:43 am to anc
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Cleveland, Mississippi.
public school in Mississippi
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Black valedictorian says that her advanced classes should have counted the same as others, even though they weren't as rigorous or taught by as quality of teacher.
public school in Mississippi
They will both become casherahs at Walmarks, who frickin cares?
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