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re: A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:16 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:16 pm to 4cubbies
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A surgeon made an incision in her chest and sawed through her breastbone. That’s when the doctors discovered her heart was beating
Of course her heart was beating.
Some people are under the misconception that you’re totally, flatline dead when they roll you into the OR to harvest organs.
You’re not. Your heart has to be beating to maintain your organs.
You’re supposed to be declared brain dead before they harvest organs. Big difference.
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:44 pm to Diamondawg
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You need an advocate with some sense to make these end of life decisions. After 103 minutes and they open her up and see heart beat and breathing I would put at almost impossible. Must have been very healthy from a cardiovascular standpoint. Not sure this is a good example of a "push for more organ transplant".
I’ve worked ICU for 29 years, participated in many organ donation cases where patients are worked up to be donors, and my wife worked primary in organ donation/collection for several years.
Either this story is a complete fabrication, or everyone from the organ procurement agency to neurologists to the OR surgeons totally screwed up.
You don’t take organ donors (heart, liver, kidney, lungs, etc) off of a ventilator 108 minutes total before starting surgery, and the heart has to be beating/perfusing the organs to keep them viable.
This is done to patients declared brain dead, not a live person they have to sedate to keep from waking up.
Basically all of this sounds like overdramatized nonsense.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:46 pm to BayouBengal51
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A good friend of mine is a funeral home director. He has told me stories of what those bodies look like. He has had to put PVC pipe in bodies to rebuild structure because the major large bones such as the leg bones were removed. He told me that the bodies that have gone through organ donation look like they were hacked through like cheap cuts of meat.
When leg bones are removed there’s no structure left. But if he put pvc pipe in to replace the bone that’s his preference. The body is going to be in a coffin, unless the family wants the body propped up in a chair with sunglasses on looking like a playa.
Yes, organ donation surgery isn’t neat and perfect. You don’t need precise cuts, don’t need to precisely close, and the goal is to get the organs out as quickly as possible before the patient cardiac arrests and the organs are lost.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/25/25 at 1:50 pm to 4cubbies
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Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors.
That happens to practically everyone on hospice. Even the ones that are still communicating and conscious upon admission. Add Adivan to that mix.
Once they can’t make money on tests and procedures… your azz gotta go and sooner the better.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:00 pm to 4cubbies
Psychology Today link
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Im not scared of dying and really dont care what happens to my body after Im dead but the thought of my last conscious experience being aware that my eyes and other organs are being removed is absolutely terrifying.
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Dying People May Remain Conscious an Hour After Flatlining
Im not scared of dying and really dont care what happens to my body after Im dead but the thought of my last conscious experience being aware that my eyes and other organs are being removed is absolutely terrifying.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:21 pm to East Coast Band
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I'm going to remove "organ donor" from my license
Good move
They are not going to any extraordinary lengths to save you, when they can justify it by saving 3 others instead
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Well that’s really tragic and I’m sorry her family had to experience that.
Tough on all of us but toughest on her. We're managing though.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:04 pm to 4cubbies
And?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:08 pm to DMAN1968
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Why would his sister be liable for his bill?
Pretty certain they're just trying to stick it with someone, anyone, so they don't have to eat $70K. The legality is suspect and according to the DIL, the lawyer is salivating. I suspect it will be dropped. Power of attorney was mentioned, but he only hinted at her handling his final arrangements in his suicide note, so it can easily be argued that he was NOT in the right state of mind just minutes before opting out.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:39 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Im not scared of dying and really dont care what happens to my body after Im dead but the thought of my last conscious experience being aware that my eyes and other organs are being removed is absolutely terrifying.
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Forty percent of the patients who received brain monitoring showed brain activity consistent with consciousness, sometimes as late as 60 minutes into CPR.
These patients were receiving CPR at the time of this study...100% oxygen or ventilator support...chest compressions to simulate heart beat...medications to improve cardiovascular function...etc...
This statement is misleading as can be.
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Dying People May Remain Conscious an Hour After Flatlining
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:40 pm to RobbBobb
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Good move
They are not going to any extraordinary lengths to save you, when they can justify it by saving 3 others instead
Ding ding ding.
Humans and human built systems have no concern but for these sorts of efficiency or mathematical outcomes - which we are not. The more we become those, the less human we are. Even in the case of a complicated idea like Organ Donation. We are not walking sacks of organs for others to use.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:45 pm to TigerAxeOK
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The legality is suspect
Unless there is some inheritance/mutual land ownership...something with both their names on it...the legality isn't suspect at all.
It must be something like that. I get it now.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:45 pm to DMAN1968
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These patients were receiving CPR at the time of this study...100% oxygen or ventilator support...chest compressions to simulate heart beat...medications to improve cardiovascular function...etc...
This statement is misleading as can be.
Yea you are right.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:54 pm to RobbBobb
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They are not going to any extraordinary lengths to save you, when they can justify it by saving 3 others instead
Except...
As long a you are have a full code designation, they are legally obligated to actually do that. Even if there is no definite/written code status you are obligated to do all you can to keep that person alive. If you do not "code" a person who is a full code then you are screwed and likely up on charges.
Fun fact...if someone is a designated, on the hospital records for that visit, DNR and you code them...well, it's an easily won lawsuit by the family.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 5:34 pm to ThuperThumpin
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quote: Dying People May Remain Conscious an Hour After Flatlining
Im not scared of dying and really dont care what happens to my body after Im dead but the thought of my last conscious experience being aware that my eyes and other organs are being removed is absolutely terrifying
That article isn’t saying what you think it’s saying.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 5:49 pm to 4cubbies
Thats scarey
Posted on 7/25/25 at 6:51 pm to 4cubbies
Hope no one needs my liver!
Posted on 7/25/25 at 7:18 pm to riverdiver
I believe in giving the dying/dead dignity. Anything otherwise is ghoul behavior.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 7:20 pm
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