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re: A Message to those who love the “Fishing Boats”
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:01 am to lake chuck fan
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:01 am to lake chuck fan
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And you probably wonder why folks have such a low opinion of you.
Their inability to look at the totality of analysis of long-term policy is a problem, I agree.
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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totality of analysis
Like
isn't this old news?
Strawman
irrelevant
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:04 am to SallysHuman
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I don't remember bombing drug boats on the regular being a thing before.
We've been engaging in military actions to stop drugs since the late 70s at least. Go google "Pablo Escobar death" pics to see some.
Or look at the history of Los Zetas cartel (to see how it can go badly).
Again, has done frick all and in many ways made it worse.
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I disagree strongly with the blanket crackdown on prescription pain medications.
Well that started as a major policy in 2019 under Trump (although the Obama admin had dabble and Biden continued it...this is non-partisan).
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So, what you're saying is basically- since nothing has ever worked before- then just let it rip, some will die, but that's the way it goes?
No. I specifically said supply-focused policies in the WOD have always failed, and will continue to fail.
The only way to stop this is to focus on the demand side and fix that.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
No doubt the emotional trauma of experiencing the drug related injury or death of a loved one is immense.
My question would be is there an aversion to capturing one of these boats? I have not seen this reported. It would seem helpful if the narco terrorists could give information that reveals the origins of and those responsible for supplying the drugs.
My question would be is there an aversion to capturing one of these boats? I have not seen this reported. It would seem helpful if the narco terrorists could give information that reveals the origins of and those responsible for supplying the drugs.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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The only way to stop this is to focus on the demand side and fix that.
How?
Why not both?
But, again, HOW?
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:09 am to Pragmatist2025
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My question would be is there an aversion to capturing one of these boats? I have not seen this reported. It would seem helpful if the narco terrorists could give information that reveals the origins of and those responsible for supplying the drugs.
This operation isn’t about drug interdiction. It’s about destabilizing Venezuela with the goal of regime change. The Admin is just not interested in capturing these folks and working its way up the chain to really impact the drug trade.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:10 am to Pragmatist2025
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My question would be is there an aversion to capturing one of these boats? I have not seen this reported. It would seem helpful if the narco terrorists could give information that reveals the origins of and those responsible for supplying the drugs.
It's about the optics and emotional response. Just read this thread and the "al least they're doing something" and "this time its for REAL" responses.
This of this a larger example of when local LEO has as bust and does the press conference with all the dope/guns laid out.
It would be much better for an overall investigation to capture the boats, which we're fully capable of doing.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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It would be much better for an overall investigation to capture the boats
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:11 am to SallysHuman
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How?
That's the trillion dollar question
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Why not both?
We know supply-focused policies will fail. We have 50-ish years of consistent failure to prove that. Why waste resources there?
All that we end up with is more expensive drugs for the demand that isn't touched with more powerful government and eroded rights.
The cartels remain rich
The users remain high
The victims of both continue to suffer
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:12 am to Decatur
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This operation isn’t about drug interdiction. It’s about destabilizing Venezuela with the goal of regime change.
Are you against regime change now? Or has your subreddit not developed the necessary talking points for the next step?
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
I understand the arguments against what the US is doing. I happen to believe the issue with Venezuela has very little to do with drugs. But the real-world effects on the drug trade are not zero. It will have some effect. The only argument is the magnitude. I have no issue at all with putting tons of cocaine and/or fentanyl on the bottom of the ocean.
People can complain all they want, and complain they will. Especially those who hate Trump.
I'm certainly no expert on international laws of war, or even our own laws of war.
But I know this... regardless of what the laws say, what Trump is doing is either perfectly legal, or... at worst, there's enough ambiguity in the law to allow what he is doing.
I know that because of the Obama drone strikes.
Either way, personally, I don't care if blowing up these boats serves no purpose other than military target practice during exercises. These people are scum.
People can complain all they want, and complain they will. Especially those who hate Trump.
I'm certainly no expert on international laws of war, or even our own laws of war.
But I know this... regardless of what the laws say, what Trump is doing is either perfectly legal, or... at worst, there's enough ambiguity in the law to allow what he is doing.
I know that because of the Obama drone strikes.
Either way, personally, I don't care if blowing up these boats serves no purpose other than military target practice during exercises. These people are scum.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 8:15 am
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:14 am to Decatur
quote:I do not know in any absolute way if that is the purpose. He just seems strange that after spending trillions on the war on terror and actively seeking them out to retrieve intel, that there are no reports of this happening, as least as far as I have heard.
This operation isn’t about drug interdiction. It’s about destabilizing Venezuela with the goal of regime change. The Admin is just not interested in capturing these folks and working its way up the chain to really impact the drug trade.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why waste resources there?
Drugs on the bottom of the ocean aren't typically smoked, snorted or injected.
Period.
That's why.
Tell me your better plan. I'll tell you mine. People buying drugs need rehab, people selling them need jail and possibly rehab. People selling large quantities, cartel quantities, need the death penalty. Simplistic, yes... but better than handing out free needles and crackpipes.
Rehab is a big one... I have a teacher friend whose daughter is a long term user- my friend has had a very hard time finding rehabs- there aren't enough of them to go around.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:17 am to deuceiswild
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I happen to believe the issue with Venezuela has very little to do with drugs.
I imagine when this is done you'll be proven correct.
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egardless of what the laws say, what Trump is doing is either perfectly legal, or... at worst, there's enough ambiguity in the law to allow what he is doing.
I know that because of the Obama drone strikes.
Well the connection to actual terrorism was much closer with Obama's actions, just FWIW.
The issues combining the WOD with the WOT are yuge, though. We've already lost so much to both, I can only imagine what we lose with a Frankenstein's monster of both.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:18 am to SallysHuman
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Drugs on the bottom of the ocean aren't typically smoked, snorted or injected.
And in the 50 years of the WOD, has this stopped drug use in the US?
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Rehab is a big one
Rehab, counseling, economic policies, etc. are all going to be needed to attack demand.
The problem is those take time, patience, and intelligence. Three things the lower-level thinkers don't value. They prefer the bam-bam-pow stuff.
Bread and circus
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well the connection to actual terrorism was much closer with Obama's actions, just FWIW.
Lol.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well the connection to actual terrorism was much closer with Obama's actions, just FWIW.
With that you had an actual armed conflict with terrorists and Congressional authorization, none of which is present here.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:21 am to the808bass
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Lol.
Funny response from Mr. Legislative intent.
Did the authors of the WOT legislation and AUMF intend it to be used on non-Muslim, South American dictators who had no terror cells operating?
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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economic policies,
What economic policies address addiction? Unless you're speaking to funding enough residential rehabs and jails.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:22 am to Decatur
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With that you had an actual armed conflict with terrorists and Congressional authorization,
Well the Trump admin is stretching the definition of terrorism so that it can combine with the WOD.
Two policies, I might add, were largely rejected on here by MAGA types 2010-2018 or so.
Now we have a WOT/D Leviathan brewing
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