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re: A little nugget about this same sex marriage bill

Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:02 pm to
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:02 pm to
Most evangelicals, like me, mostly figure Pandora's box has been opened and it's too late. We've also been proven right for saying the "slippery slope fallacy" was not a fallacy.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:31 pm to
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No way Romney would OK that if it was in there. His career would be over.


There are 12 that voted to move it forward to this point the other week, and Romney is one. Apparently the Mormon elders blessed it.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:34 pm to
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Most evangelicals, like me, mostly figure Pandora's box has been opened and it's too late. We've also been proven right for saying the "slippery slope fallacy" was not a fallacy.


Problem is that it currently doesn't protect religious "exemptions" and we saw that is treated the last few years. It will essentially legalize religious persecution. Which I know many will be ok with to make gains in their depravity, but it's going to do a lot of harm, while the gay mafia diabolically smiles.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:35 pm to
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I'm not referring to Conservative legal priorities. Evangelicals are coming after gay marriage and they will use their anti abortion network (which is extensive) to do it.

While it make be ok with most Americans it is an absolute no go for evangelicals.


And the gays came after biblical marriage.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:37 pm to
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biblical marriage.



If a church doesnt want to do gay ceremonies that should be up to them.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:46 pm to
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It will essentially legalize religious persecution


No, it will not.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42267 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:47 pm to
I believe they can force adoption agencies to allow any kind of couple to adopt a child with this bill.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:49 pm to
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If a church doesnt want to do gay ceremonies that should be up to them.


Thats the concern with this and if it will cause issues for letting a church or any Christian Org to stick to their belief. Ie...if a adoption org wants to only adopt kids to hetero parents, etc. Don't think this isn't opening up Religious persecution
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:50 pm to
Destroying the church has always been the agenda of the homos.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:51 pm to
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No, it will not.

Cause we haven't seen the gay mafia go after Christian businesses/orgs...

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47062 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:52 pm to

Not that it matters, but I'll never recognize any same sex couple as being 'married'.

Civil Union? Fine. Life Partners? Don't care. Do what ever you want.


But you're not married.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:03 pm to
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Cause we haven't seen the gay mafia go after Christian businesses/orgs...



This bill is about the federal government and state governments recognizing a marriage performed in a state where gay marriage is legal. Hypothetically speaking, if no state in the country permitted gay marriage, this bill would do absolutely nothing.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:10 pm to
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Not that it matters, but I'll never recognize any same sex couple as being 'married'.

Civil Union? Fine. Life Partners? Don't care. Do what ever you want.

But you're not married.


Right there with you.

Crazy part is that most would think that I grew up some kind of gay hater, but I grew knowing it was a part of society. I've lived near some of the largest gayborhoods in the country, with plenty of gay neighbors. Some I got a long with normally, and some were just disgusting people. Been to gay and mixed bars that typically were fine, until a drunk fig started to cross the line. Yes...I totally get what women go thru when it comes to how obnoxious men looking to get laid can be. If you act like a regular person we'll get along, thought I'm not welcoming the lifestyle into my life, but if you are a flamboyant fig than I want nothing to do with you at all.

But they've crossed lines, and I'm not one of those that will chose the Devils side over Gods when push comes to shove, like "Christian" parents that. It's kind of like how the race baiters have pushed it to far, and just now I just rather not deal with blacks. Any that I deal with now I feel out first to see if they are just dealing with me cause they have too, but in their mind I'm the white devil. If so, I distance myself.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:28 pm to
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Hypothetically speaking, if no state in the country permitted gay marriage, this bill would do absolutely nothing.



We already tried that and when states didn't permit it, courts made up the law as they went.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7307 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:30 pm to
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Can you please cite the specific language in the bill that states thusly?



dude just trust what this random guy on fringe right internet message board says lmfao
Posted by Red Stick Rambler
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:33 pm to
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Sad that progressive behave so badly that shite like this is 100% believable.


Well said!!!
Posted by mikeybates
Member since Sep 2020
238 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:41 pm to
dude just trust what this random guy on fringe right internet message board says lmfao


There doesn't need to be any specific provision in the law permitting the revocation of tax-exempt status. The IRS has discretion to revoke the tax-exempt status of an institution (e.g., a religious school, college, or charitable organization) because it doesn't like its views of marriage. (This was what happened in the Bob Jones case.) So the law has to actively forbid such a revocation; otherwise, an institution that has its exemption revoked will have to depend on the courts for protection. Which may be fine under the current Supreme Court, but might not be in the future.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 4:42 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:00 pm to
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So the law has to actively forbid such a revocation;


This law does exactly that.
Posted by mikeybates
Member since Sep 2020
238 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:04 pm to
This law does exactly that.


No it doesn't. It just says that the bill itself does not require revocation. Revocation remains permitted; I expect that a future Democratic administration will attempt it at some point over some college's policies about dating, housing, whatever.

Again, in the Bob Jones case there was no law requiring revocation. The government decided it wanted to revoke it, and the Supreme Court said that it was okay to do so, and that was that.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 5:07 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:44 pm to
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No it doesn't. It just says that the bill itself does not require revocation. Revocation remains permitted;


This is from the bill. It specifically protects tax-exempt status from being impacted by this bill.

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—Nothing in this Act, or any amendment made by this Act, shall be construed to deny or alter any benefit, status, or right of an otherwise eligible entity or person, including tax-exempt status, tax treatment, educational funding, or a grant, contract, agreement, guarantee, loan, scholarship, license, certification, accreditation, claim, or defense, provided such benefit, status, or right does not arise from a marriage.
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