re: A jury decided they were not guilty. A judge sentenced them to life in prison anyway

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black people are regularly still viewed and treated as inferior

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Yes, people like YOU and your fellow Democrats view black people as helpless pets, nothing more.

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I can see that from your posts. It's off putting.

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I audibly laughed when I read this.

You must be having a bad day.

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You are EXTRAORDINARILY and illogically emotional here

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Except I’m not, at all.

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but your posts come off that way

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You're seeing what you want to see.

The posts don't come off as racist at all.

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not racist, but your posts come off that way.

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I mean, she has basically implied that, despite having a pathway in front of them (just like everyone else), black people are incapable.

This is astounding to me, as I know an inexhaustible list of successful black people. They either had great work ethics, utilized their education, or both. This isn’t difficult.

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How do you explain you ignoring of facts?

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I'll ask you the same question.

Modern Day Consequences of Historic Redlining: Finding a Path Forward

The Relationship of Historical Redlining with Present-Day Neighborhood Environmental and Health Outcomes: A Scoping Review and Conceptual Model

Legacy of Jim Crow still affects funding for public schools

Remnants of Jim Crow Found in Modern Housing Policy

Legal Scholar: Jim Crow Still Exists In America

An American Tragedy: The legacy of slavery lingers in our cities’ ghettos

The Tangible Repercussions of Slavery

Government: The Cause of, and Solution To, All Our Problems!

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The more they tried to assimilate, the more oppression they faced. And you wonder why they stopped trying.

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Except that that is something you just made up. There is no direct relationship between the degree to which black people attempted to assimilate in this country and oppression.

Oppression probably slightly decreased from 1865 to 1965 and then it dropped like a rock.

During the same period that oppression was decreasing the most rapidly, assimilation was also decreasing rapidly.

And no, I don't wonder why at all. I know why. The narrative you parrot is the reason why. That America owes it to black people to assimilate to their preferences and ignore/excuse their criminal behavior instead of expecting them to conform to mainstream America's standards and customs. That's exactly why.

What's amazing is that you can't see that such a toxic message is not good for them, does not help them, and continues to keep them mired in relative poverty and failure.

Answer me one question (and I will ask it as many times as I need to in order for you to answer it because I know you will ignore it the first 12 times through): Why shouldn't the message to the black community be that they need to rediscover traditional values, start getting and staying married, stop having children out of wedlock, start making sure that their children get educated, and stop committing crimes?

Why wouldn't that be exactly what they need to hear?

Two things before you answer: First, that was exactly the message that Malcom X had for them all the way back in the mid-1960s.

Second, according to the Heritage Foundation (left leaning organization) there are three things that any American citizen can do that will virtually guarantee that they will eventually enter the middle class.

1. Graduate high school
2. Get a job (pretty much any job) and stick with it
3. Don't have children out of wedlock

So what about the message that an iconic civil rights leader shared with his community that coincides with the Heritage Foundation research do you disagree with? Because 80% of those two things are what you're arguing with me over and over (the exception being that Malcom X—while he did teach traditional values—did not teach American assimilation. He was a separatist who wanted a part of America proportional to the black population to be given to black Americans to start their own country, completely separate from the United States. I assume we can agree that giving black people in America Florida or some other state to split off from the US is probably not practical.)

NC, for whatever reason, this thread has brought out an ugly side of you.

You’re one of the very, very few posters here I’ve admired and respected. For you to come at me as you have in this thread is unlike you, and beneath you, frankly. I wasn’t expecting this level of disrespect from you.

I’m extremely confident in my claims in this thread, which is probably why I’m not emotional about you ignoring them. Facts are facts regardless of who will admit them.

I really don’t care to click on this thread again. You were one of a couple of posters capable of disagreeing with me without calling me names or insulting me. I don’t care to continue going back and forth with you and the peanut gallery when we clearly are never going to see eye to eye.

It’s like y’all really do want this to be an echo chamber.

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I truly cannot comprehend how someone can honestly claim that the descendants of slaves have been treated the same as white Americans for the last 3 generations. That is a demonstrably false position.

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Probably nobody has claimed that. Given your posting history, you probably made that up.

But let me see if I can help here. What you are quoted as saying above isn't the relevant, important question.

The question—as with so many things in life—is a matter of degree, and the answer to that question spawns a few more questions.

So to what degree have black people not had the same opportunity for three generations based on skin color?

Black people have been able to vote without encumbrance for three generations, they've been able to borrow money, live where they wanted without having to worry a whole lot about the Democratic Party's enforcement arm burning a cross on their lawn, its been illegal to discriminate on the basis of race for everything from employment to renting an apartment to getting a loan to being served in a restaurant, they've had access to integrated public schools, benefitted from affirmative action with regard to college admissions and government jobs, benefitted from a variety of government programs designed to stimulate minority entrepreneurship, etc. We've had black SCOTUS judges, black Congresspeople, a black POTUS and vice-president, we now have 10 or so black Billionaires (and not that it matters, but half of those are not athletes or actors).

I agree that black people still don't get treated equally by our justice system.

However, how much of that is a racial bias and how much of it is a cultural bias based on the FACT that black Americans commit crimes at a much higher rate than other groups?

Either way, I agree, justice is supposed to be blind. But it matters because if the answer to that question is the latter, black American can change it.

Other than that (which almost always doesn't come into play unless someone already has committed a crime), what opportunities have black people lacked for the past 60 years?