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re: A $5,000 payment would not cause inflation

Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:29 am to
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11092 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:29 am to
The mental gymnastics 'Conservatives' have been doing on here to try and justify a $5k payment is breathtaking. They will say anything to try and justify more government handouts. It's pathetic.

Additionally, not being able to understand the repercussions of handing out $5k to everyone while NOT reducing spending is even more pathetic.

This money needs to go to the debt and spending needs to be reduced to pre covid levels.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37168 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:31 am to
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This money needs to go to the debt and spending needs to be reduced to pre covid levels.
I don't recall ever agreeing with anything you post on here, until now. Dang it!
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40730 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:31 am to
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Your thread deals in a hypothetical and I'm responding to the hypothetical


Not hypothetical. If both our positions were presented in a court, you would lose badly.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297664 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:33 am to
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The mental gymnastics 'Conservatives' have been doing on here to try and justify a $5k payment is breathtaking.


Because they all were once working class Democrats. They cant escape their propensity to be bought off with shitty stimulus checks.

Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40730 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:34 am to
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Because they all were once working class Democrats.


You’re a tour bus driver.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:35 am to
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This money needs to go to the debt


The Federal Reserve balance sheet is approximately $7 Trillion which consists of mostly Treasury bills (short term...6 months - 2 years), notes(medium term...10 years) and bonds (long term....30 year): LINK

Specifically pay those bills, notes and bonds down. That would have an impact on inflation because the FR would burn the cash and not allow it back into the economy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297664 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:36 am to
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You’re a tour bus driver.


"Naturalist"

Great college gig.

If you had ever gone to college, you wouldnt be making these retarded, anti conservative threads.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33284 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:36 am to
It’s just gonna help me pay for the taxes I owe from sleepy Joes ridiculous tax laws
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40730 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:37 am to
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Great college gig.


Northeastern Moose Junior College doesn’t count
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10429 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:38 am to
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The point of this $5k being available is that it's not supposed to go to any of those things you just listed. It's supposed to not be spent/go to the debt.


You're just making shite up. Giving money back to the taxpayer is the government not spending that money. There is no "supposed to pay off debt" with this money. This money was never intended to pay off debt. It was intended to fill democrat coffers and personal bank accounts. It's a lie that this money was ever intended to pay off the debt.

They are still talking about paying down the debt with the DOGE money, just not using it all that way. As usual, you are being disingenuous.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297664 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:38 am to

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It’s just gonna help me pay for the taxes I owe from sleepy Joes ridiculous tax laws


I get it. But it would benefit most of us better going to pay off debt.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467276 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:39 am to
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If Congress isn't going to get the budget down from $7 trillion to around $4.5 trillion then it won't matter where that $5k goes.

Why do you think I'm not for spending cuts as well?

Posted by Lake08
Member since Jun 2023
2778 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:40 am to
So we put it all towards the debt vs giving it to all taxpayers…..
Fast forward 4 years if a democrat is elected. Debt goes right back up and the taxpayers get screwed once again..

Give me the check, please
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297664 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:42 am to
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You're just making shite up. Giving money back to the taxpayer is the government not spending that money.


Half the country pays less than 1k in fed taxes.

Its going to be a literal gift to most Americans.

Its a stimulus, when a stimulus is the last thing we need.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467276 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:42 am to
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You're just making shite up.


Before the silly policy was announced go find me the threads arguing thar DOGE had another goal.

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Giving money back to the taxpayer is the government not spending that money

Wtf?

They spent it on the taxpayer directly

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. This money was never intended to pay off debt. It was intended to fill democrat coffers and personal bank accounts. It's a lie that this money was ever intended to pay off the debt.

You're changing things. If you go back to what you quoted I said the point of the 5000 being available is that it's not supposed to go to the debt.

Now you're pivoting to the original intention of the money itself and it's allocation, ignoring the whole point of Doge and reducing spending with the specific and exclusive goal of attacking our deficit and debt. My discussion was from that framing, where the purported "waste and fraud" you reference about was already identified as such.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35628 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:43 am to
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Its no different than a stimulus check

It's only different from a stimmy check if the gov offsets the cost by reducing budget spending, dollar for dollar.

That's the only way I'd be in support of a stimmy. If we end up getting it, I'm just putting it in a fireproof bag in the safe anyway, so my part won't be stimulating an economy any time soon.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10429 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:43 am to
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Exactly what it is, and the OP is wrong as usual, a trillion dollars plopped on consumers lap at once will bump inflation.


A trillion dollars? We are talking about $50-100 billion. Maybe if your information was accurate, you'd be able to make a better argument.

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Pay it over time and it most likely will not.


That's exactly what they are doing. Most is going to the debt. No one ever said these were going to be regular payments. Like most people against the tax refund, you are basing your argument on information you made up in your head.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467276 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:43 am to
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So we put it all towards the debt vs giving it to all taxpayers…..
Fast forward 4 years if a democrat is elected. Debt goes right back up and the taxpayers get screwed once again..

Give me the check, please


This is the perfect encapsulation of the bait and switch of populism and the insincerity of people really caring about the deficit and debt. All it takes is floating $5,000 in front of them and they argue that Doge is pointless and we should just ignore its function entirely due to a fatalistic belief about spending
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
4530 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:43 am to
OP is a concerned moderate
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85182 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:44 am to
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fatalistic belief about spending
Slow Fanni Pro, doesn't think Dems will spend in the future.
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