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re: 40.1 percent of U.S. households pay no income tax
Posted on 8/18/24 at 8:47 am to Longhorn Actual
Posted on 8/18/24 at 8:47 am to Longhorn Actual
Taxation without representation was the whole premise behind our founding. If you pay no [federal] taxes, do you even deserve representation?
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Posted on 8/18/24 at 8:48 am to Wellborn
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If you don’t pay taxes, you shouldn’t get a vote.
100%
Leaches shouldn't be able to vote.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:46 am to oklahogjr
quote:The discussion isn't about political parties. It's about people, as in individuals
Both parties heavily rely on their entitlements
quote:Excellent. Exactly as it should be. People should be able to keep their own money
one wants to help people who already have money and businesses ensure they keep it
quote:One problem with this thinking is that it's enablement. Many people believe the wrong thing to do is for the govt to keep stepping in and enabling people to continue to be "vulnerable." Another problem is that it ignores that many of these people are vulnerable by their own choice. Another problem is that the political establishment has decided that in order to buy their vote, many people who aren't vulnerable have been included in that category. No one should be in favor of this
the other wants to protect the most vulnerable amongst us
quote:People and businesses keeping their own money is not a "handout"
they're both just clamoring for their supporters to get more handouts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:51 am to Wellborn
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That is insane.
If you don’t pay taxes, you shouldn’t get a vote.
Again, when Trump wanted to eliminate tax on tips—which would undeniably increase that 40% number—the board thought it was great, because anybody paying less income tax is a good thing.
Why the double standard on this topic?
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:54 am to Wellborn
I’m fine with getting a vote if you pay no taxes.
I think if you pay taxes, you should get MORE than one vote. Maybe one extra vote per X thousand dollars in taxes paid.
I think if you pay taxes, you should get MORE than one vote. Maybe one extra vote per X thousand dollars in taxes paid.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:54 am to wackatimesthree
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Again, when Trump wanted to eliminate tax on tips—which would undeniably increase that 40% number—the board thought it was great, because Trump said it.
Edited for accuracy.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:57 am to Robin Masters
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Flat tax!
Nah, I’d rather a national sales tax with no income tax. That way, even drug dealers and politicians would have to pay.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:59 am to Willev
quote:He also didn't take the paycheck allocated to the president. So he gave back way more than he owed on that income
Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750
quote:He has been publicly honest about the fact that he took advantage of what the tax code allowed, which is what this whole discussion is about. People like him are being taxed through the roof in other ways. Those income tax deductions don't even come close to the rest. Besides, this point isn't relevant. The top earners in america are paying nearly all of the income tax being collected by the govt. The rich are funding the poor through the govt so the establishment can stay in power. It's a massive grift. No one should be ok with this
He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:01 am to Wellborn
I haven't filed in 5 years, frick 'em
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:04 am to Willev
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Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency.
So he paid more than 40% of the households in the US combined?
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:08 am to kenna bra
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Property tax should be illegal.
Then how do you propose that parish and county sheriffs and other first responders are funded adequately? A portion of property taxes are raised to pay their salaries.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:12 am to CreoleTigerEsq
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Then how do you propose that parish and county sheriffs and other first responders are funded adequately? A portion of property taxes are raised to pay their salaries.
Sales tax.
Property taxes mean you never really own property.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:13 am to CreoleTigerEsq
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Then how do you propose that parish and county sheriffs and other first responders are funded adequately? A portion of property taxes are raised to pay their salaries.
Higher sales tax. Property tax means you don’t own your property. You gotta pay someone else to keep it. Sales tax would also pass along some of the cost to people who use those services but don’t live in the parish.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:22 am to BoudinChicot
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There's got to be a breaking point somewhere...
That person experiences poverty that you would never want to experience. I'm never bothered by someone with an EBT card, because I know that I wouldn't want to be living the life or having the income that would qualify me to receive those benefits.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:24 am to Wellborn
I like the idea of a consumption tax. All the people that have entitlements and buy 500 dollar shoes and 1,000 dollar phones can pay consumption tax on that. Don't tax grocery food.
See if there is less waste of money if you did something like that.
See if there is less waste of money if you did something like that.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:24 am to Flats
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Property taxes mean you never really own property.
Property taxes are the taxes you pay to ensure that public services that you receive (where your property is located) are adequately funded.
Move to a country that only taxes property once or not at all, and report back to me and let me know about the quality of public services available in that country.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:27 am to CreoleTigerEsq
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Property taxes are the taxes you pay to ensure that public services that you receive (where your property is located) are adequately funded.
Thanks, mensa. I know where they go. Now explain why they couldn't be replaced with a different tax.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:28 am to Dawgfanman
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Property tax means you don’t own your property. You gotta pay someone else to keep it.
No. Ownership begins and ends with a mortgage that is paid in full.
Paying property taxes means that you recognize the public benefit that you receive from services that you receive and that they have to be paid for, and you're willing to (just like every other property owner around you) pay into public coffers to ensure that those services are maintained.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:30 am to Wellborn
That sucks if your income is only $70K. But you should still be paying income tax even if you’re poor.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 9:32 am to CreoleTigerEsq
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No. Ownership begins and ends with a mortgage that is paid in full. Paying property taxes means that you recognize the public benefit that you receive from services that you receive and that they have to be paid for, and you're willing to (just like every other property owner around you) pay into public coffers to ensure that those services are maintained.
If you don’t pay it, they take your property. This means they own it. They set the amount you must pay to keep it.
Those services obviously need to be funded, property taxes aren’t the only way to do so.
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